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Chuck Sutton

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« Reply #360 on: September 11, 2006, 07:33:12 PM »
So Matt where did you rank the 3 Chuck Barris shows you commented we ranked rather low.

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« Reply #361 on: September 11, 2006, 10:54:35 PM »
OK, I did promise to share my list, since no one tried to stop me.  :)

I am foregoing the commentary, though.  It's late.  Here we go:

50 The Magnificent Marble Machine
49 Caesar’s Challenge
48 The Who, What Or Where Game
47 Make Me Laugh
46 Break The Bank (7x)
45 Treasure Hunt
44 Hit Man
43 Debt
42 Cross-Wits
41 Remote Control
40 Greed
39 Whew!
38 Three On A Match
37 Battlestars
36 Win Ben Stein’s Money
35 Supermarket Sweep
34 Beat The Clock
33 Eye Guess
32 The Dating Game
31 Go!
30 I’ve Got A Secret
29 Jackpot!
28 Name That Tune
27 Lingo
26 The Joker’s Wild
25 Deal Or No Deal
24 The Newlywed Game
23 High Rollers
22 What’s My Line
21 Blockbusters
20 Let’s Make A Deal
19 Now You See It
18 Press Your Luck
17 Tattletales
16 Tic Tac Dough
15 $ale Of The Century
14 To Tell The Truth
13 Scrabble
12 Pyramid
11 Concentration
10 Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
9 The Gong Show
8 Card Sharks
7 Wheel Of Fortune
6 Password (preferred Plus/Super to the original, but it all counts)
5 Hollywood Squares
4 Jeopardy!
3 Family Feud
2 The Price Is Right
1 Match Game 7x

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« Reply #362 on: September 11, 2006, 11:21:23 PM »
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'131037\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 08:08 AM\']
I take it no one else had it on their list, but does anyone else remember "Wonderama?" It was a kids' show highlighted by its game elements (sort of like "Ag USA," apparently) which included Snake Cans and Guess Your Best. It was TPIR before TPIR.
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I not only remember it, I was on it.  I would have KILLED to get picked for the snake cans.

I don't think I ever appeared on camera, but my sister was one of the three finalists in the weekly dance contest and took home a pair of roller skates as a result.  Sadly, I no longer have my Lender's bagelette necklace.

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« Reply #363 on: September 11, 2006, 11:43:06 PM »
On the subject of the game of The Amazing Race being better than that of Survivor...

While allowing that what makes a "better" game is entirely subjective, I think what people really mean by this comparison is that in The Amazing Race, you're elminated solely based on your own performance and not by some seemingly arbitary vote.  But that stance overlooks many things:

1. In TAR, players can-- and have-- been eliminated not because of their inferior performance, but because of their horrendously bad luck.  I direct your attention to the infamous haybales challenge.  Those kinds of (pardon the pun) needle-in-a-haystack challenges are, in my opinion, absolutely terrible.  As a player, I can understand being eliminated because of bad luck outside the producer's control-- a flat tire, a washed-out road, a delayed flight.  But for the producers to introduce additional such elements into the game makes little sense to me.  They have no playalong factor and aren't fun to watch at all, and when players get screwed by them it's not satisfying to me as a viewer in any way.

2. TAR is actually a series of races where winning is irrelevant until the final leg.  The game is simply about not being last.  Blech.  I realize that a closer competition makes for better television-- in season 1, before they became more aggressive about grouping teams at the start of each leg, they wound up with a final in which the third-place team was far, far behind the other two, and it wasn't nearly as interesting.  In recent seasons they've added prizes for the winners of every leg (instead of just one or two legs), which has been a very positive addition.

3. Getting voted out in Survivor is not arbitrary.  The challenges in Survivor are only part of the game.  The real game is about forging alliances and diverting attention away from yourself.  Being a strong competitor in challenges is not necessarily the best approach.  If you look at Survivor that way-- that the game is one of politics, negotiation, psychology, and timing-- the depth of the game makes The Amazing Race pale in comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I like The Amazing Race.  But I love Survivor.  I can understand people preferring a game where backstabbing and politics aren't involved.  And if that's what they mean when they say The Amazing Race is a better game, that's perfectly valid.  But looking at the game designs themselves, I'd say that Survivor's game is far more interesting.  And for me, that makes it better.

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« Reply #364 on: September 12, 2006, 12:20:54 AM »
[quote name=\'Peter Sarrett\' post=\'131202\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 11:43 PM\']Don't get me wrong, I like The Amazing Race.  But I love Survivor.  I can understand people preferring a game where backstabbing and politics aren't involved.  And if that's what they mean when they say The Amazing Race is a better game, that's perfectly valid.  But looking at the game designs themselves, I'd say that Survivor's game is far more interesting.  And for me, that makes it better.[/quote]
Excellent points all, including what I snipped.  Still, simply put, Survivor results are based on subjective decisions.  You have to convince other people that you deserve to win.  In that sense, it's no different than The Gong Show, figure skating or the Miss America Pageant, all of which are fascinating in their own ways as well.  The Amazing Race results are based on objective outcomes.  If you accomplish your defined task faster than the other people do, then you win.  Nobody votes.

I think it's that subjective vs objective argument that fans of TAR invoke, though you could certainly make the case (and perhaps that's what you were doing) that it's precisely the subjective element that makes Survivor so engaging!
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« Reply #365 on: September 12, 2006, 04:37:12 AM »
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131215\' date=\'Sep 11 2006, 09:20 PM\']
In that sense, it's no different than The Gong Show, figure skating or the Miss America Pageant[/quote]
It's quite different in that the people players need to convince aren't a panel of impartial judges, but rather their competitors.

I agree that it's the subjective/objective issue that TAR fans invoke.  But even among objective shows, I thought The Mole was a much more interesting game than TAR.  Not necessarily a better SHOW, mind you, but a more interesting game.
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« Reply #366 on: September 12, 2006, 07:27:59 PM »
Might as well share my list, with commentary when appropriate.

1. Concentration
2. Password
3. To Tell the Truth
My favorite of all the panel shows.
4. What's My Line?
5. The $64,000 Question
6. Newlywed Game
Probably a guilty pleasure...but this show also launched a new type of show.
7. The Price is Right
8. Sale of the Century
9. Jeopardy!
10. Pyramid (Thanks a lot, Donny)
Had I not factored Donny-mid into my rankings, this show would have been #1/
11. Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
12. Hollywood Squares
13. Scrabble
14. Wheel of Fortune
15. 2 Minute Drill
16. Match Game
17. Let's Make a Deal
18. Double Dare (Summers)
19. Go
Damn, I wish I had saved my tapes of this from when it was on during "the dark period".
20. Whew!
21. The Gong Show
22. Family Feud
23. Press Your Luck
24. Tattletales
25. Remote Control
26. Supermarket Sweep
27. Name That Tune
28. Truth or Consequences
29. Win Ben Stein's Money
30. High Rollers
31. I've Got a Secret
32. Split Second
33. Beat the Clock
34. Gambit
35. Russian Roulette
36. Fun House
37. Lingo
38. Jackpot!
39. Debt
40. Tic Tac Dough
41. The Jokers's Wild
42. Blockbusters
43. The Dating Game
44. Chain Reaction
45. Celebrity Sweepstakes
46. Break the Bank (Kennedy/Barry)
47. Card Sharks
48. The Challengers
49. Body Language
50. It Takes Two
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« Reply #367 on: September 12, 2006, 07:45:00 PM »
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131301\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 07:27 PM\']
10. Pyramid (Thanks a lot, Donny)
Had I not factored Donny-mid into my rankings, this show would have been #1/
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Since pyramid finished 3rd by 1 pt!, Donny Osmond cost Pyramid a second place finish.

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« Reply #368 on: September 12, 2006, 07:49:56 PM »
[quote name=\'Peter Sarrett\' post=\'131237\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 04:37 AM\']
  But even among objective shows, I thought The Mole was a much more interesting game than TAR.  Not necessarily a better SHOW, mind you, but a more interesting game.
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The Mole was probably the best game.  Elimination was base don you ability to figuare out who The Mole(or fool others in to thinking it was you) and your ability to remeber details about The Mole.  The games within the game were varied and challenging.

The show's cancellation played like many game shows.  After sagging ratings they try a "celebrity"version.  As a gimmick it works and ratings go.  So they overuse the celebrity version it is no longer special and kind of dull more than once and the show ends.
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« Reply #369 on: September 12, 2006, 08:04:51 PM »
I completely disregarded what I considered 'mistake' incarnations of shows -- Osmond's Pyramid, Wayne's TTD, Berger's MG, CS 2000, etc. To me, that would have been unfair to the established heritage of the ones that got it right.

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« Reply #370 on: September 12, 2006, 09:06:53 PM »
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'131303\' date=\'Sep 12 2006, 07:49 PM\']The Mole was probably the best game.  Elimination was base don you ability to figuare out who The Mole(or fool others in to thinking it was you) and your ability to remeber details about The Mole. [/quote]
But the thing about The Mole, to me anyway, was that the most important game they played each week was not done for the benefit of the audience.  We never knew what the results were, and only got to see a small sampling of the questions. All we got was the outcome. I realize that's necessitated by the structure of the game ("Since Jeremy correctly identified Cheryl as the Mole, he's safe for another week." wouldn't really work) but c'mon.  It's like playing Final Jeopardy off camera and returning just in time to show the scores.
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« Reply #371 on: September 12, 2006, 09:43:14 PM »
And here's mine...

1. Who Wants to Be a Moronionaire
2. Inquizinkin
3. Freakin' Studs
4. The Insider (starring the one and only Pat O'Brien)
5. Camouflage
6. Dumpster Hunt
7. What's That Smell?
8. Bowling for Gazpacho
9. Reform School Quizbusters
10. The $100,000 Pull My Finger

...whoops, wrong list. :-)  Here goes:

1. Password
2. Pyramid
3. Whew!
4. Hollywood Squares
5. Jeopardy!
6. Wheel of Fortune
7. High Rollers
8. The Joker's Wild
9. Tic Tac Dough
10. Match Game
11. Chain Reaction
12. Blockbusters
13. Battlestars
14. Sale of the Century
15. Pitfall
16. The Cross-Wits
17. The Price is Right
18. What's My Line?
19. Concentration
20. Name That Tune
21. To Tell The Truth
22. Family Feud
23. Hit Man
24. I've Got a Secret
25. Let's Make a Deal
26. Tattletales
27. Child's Play
28. Card Sharks
29. Gambit
30. The Moneymaze
31. Now You See It
32. Scrabble
33. Supermarket Sweep
34. Treasure Hunt
35. Win, Lose or Draw
36. You Bet Your Life
37. The Challengers/Who, What or Where Game
38. The Gong Show
39. Dream House
40. Face the Music
41. Make Me Laugh
42. The Big Showdown
43. The Guinness game
44. Jackpot
45. To Say The Least
46. Liar's Club
47. Camouflage
48. Truth or Consequences
49. The Newlywed Game
50. The Dating Game

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« Reply #372 on: September 12, 2006, 09:47:44 PM »
My nifty 50...

1.  Jeopardy!
2.  The Price is Right
3.  Wheel of Fortune
4.  Match Game
5.  Tic Tac Dough
6.  Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
7.  Hollywood Squares
8.  Family Feud
9.  What's My Line?
10.  Pyramid
11.  The Joker's Wild
12.  Password/Super Pword/Pword +
13.  Name That Tune
14.  Blockbusters
15.  Card Sharks
16.  Concentration
17.  Let's Make a Deal
18.  $ale of the Century
19.  To Tell the Truth
20.  Now You See It
21.  Beat the Clock
22.  Split Second
23.  I've Got a Secret
24.  The Challengers
25.  Hit Man
26.  Whew!
27.  The Cross-Wits
28.  High Rollers
29.  You Bet Your Life
30.  Deal or No Deal
31.  Supermarket Sweep
32.  Break the Bank (ABC/syn)
33.  You Don't Say!
34.  Tattletales
35.  Dirty Rotten Cheater
36.  Sports Challenge
37.  Jackpot!
38.  Treasure Hunt
39.  Lingo
40.  Press Your Luck
41.  Seven Keys
42.  Celebrity Sweepstakes
43.  Face the Music
44.  Two for the Money
45.  Double Dare (CBS)
46.  The Who, What, or Where Game
47.  Scrabble
48.  The Name's the Same
49.  Gambit
50.  TalkAbout

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« Reply #373 on: September 12, 2006, 09:54:35 PM »
Since I will also cave in to peer pressure...

1. Jeopardy!
2. Price is Right, The
3. Wheel of Fortune
4. Family Feud
5. Pyramid
6. Match Game
7. Password
8. Hollywood Squares
9. Let's Make a Deal
10. To Tell the Truth
11. I've Got a Secret
12. What's My Line?
13. Concentration
14. Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
15. Card Sharks
16. Split Second
17. Joker's Wild, The
18. Beat the Clock
19. Queen For a Day
20. Name That Tune
21. $64,000 Question, The
22. Truth or Consequences
23. Treasure Hunt
24. Newlywed Game
25. Dating Game
26. Press Your Luck
27. Tic Tac Dough
28. Eye Guess
29. Supermarket Sweep
30. College Bowl
31. Sale of the Century
32. Who What or Where Game
33. Gambit
34. Pantomime Quiz
35. Tattletales
36. You Don't Say!
37. Two For the Money
38. Win Ben Stein's Money
39. Play Your Hunch
40. Remote Control
41. High Rollers
42. Now You See It
43. Celebrity Sweepstakes
44. Masquerade Party
45. Strike It Rich (Hull)
46. Who Do You Trust?
47. Scrabble
48. Blockbusters
49. Deal or No Deal
50. Winner Take All

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« Reply #374 on: September 12, 2006, 10:09:18 PM »
Where were all the votes for Whistle or Lose It?
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