Major Goof on 1 vs 100?

[SRIV94]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'135474\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 02:31 PM\']
Your analysis seems to assume that the chosen mob member knows that his answer is wrong.  Typically, a mob member is going to assume (or at least hope) that he's got the right answer.  But no, unless there's a rule we don't know about (always a possibility with this show, it seems), a wrong player is out, even if that player convinced the One to go out too.
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You're right--which is not how I intended it (my analysis being flawed, not your correctness).  Although in the case of last Friday's show, the Mob member who it seems wound up winning nothing seemed as though she kinda figured her answer was wrong from her little dig at the contestant.  That, and the fact that only three other people wound up agreeing with her.

Again, it's too bad that her convincing of the contestant nets her absoutely nothing because she was wrong too.

Doug

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'135469\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 12:01 PM\']
Are you, as one who gave the incorrect answer, entitled to any portion of the winnings, because you're out too?
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Nope. They knock out the people who missed it before awarding the money to the Mob.

Because if that's not the case, there's no real impetus for you to give a real convincing bluff, as you're not going to get rewarded for it other than the surviving members giving you a hearty "thank you."  Unless I'm missing something.  (Which isn't a stretch.)

Exactly. Either you're right, or you THINK you're right, since you would never ever ever intentionally select a wrong answer. (Unless, of course, you'd been standing there 12 hours, desperately needed to take a leak, and didn't want to soil yourself.) So it goes back to the point I made above, as to whether you think it's in your best interest to try to keep the player around or not. If so, you defend your answer as best you can. If not, then you simply say you guessed. Doing anything else either sells the contestant on your answer, or would make 'em think you were full of crap about how you think you're wrong, because _there is never any benefit to answering incorrectly_...and therefore they pick your answer. As a Mobster, you never stand to gain unless some point comes where the contestant picks a different answer than you did and you end up being right.

[Matt Ottinger]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'135477\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 03:44 PM\']
So it goes back to the point I made above, as to whether you think it's in your best interest to try to keep the player around or not. [/quote]
From the little we've seen, the game seems so weighted against the mob that I think you'd want to take any opportunity you can to get the One out, no matter how many mob members are left or how small your payoff will be.  Therefore, if I'm in the mob and get a chance to dialog with the One, I'm going to do everything I can to bluff him AWAY from my answer, probably by giving a patently false logic for chosing it.

[clemon79]

Ya know, this makes me think of something. In Susan Sackett and Cheryl Blythe's book, "You Can Be A Game Show Contestant And Win", IIRC, there are some sample contestant guidelines...I want to say they're for Family Feud. And I distinctly want to remember that one of the guidelines was that if you needed to use the restroom, you should absolutely speak up and say so, and they would be happy to stop down tape and have someone escort you there.

So, that said, why in the purple tapdancing hell are the 1 vs. 100 folks not allowing their contestants this same courtesy?

[MSTieScott]

I should point out that my comments about focus group testing in the other thread were made satirically -- as far as I'm aware, no focus group testing has specifically pointed out sub-$50,000 winnings as disappointing. Unless I have amazing psychic abilities, in which case I have got to try out for Deal or No Deal.

[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'135469\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 02:01 PM\']You have the incorrect answer, but you are selected to explain yourself via either of the One's helps.  The One sides with you and goes with your incorrect answer.  The One's obviously out as a result, and the mob splits the One's winnings.  Are you, as one who gave the incorrect answer, entitled to any portion of the winnings, because you're out too?[/quote]
No, but I like to think that somebody in that mob treated that woman to dinner or something. But there's no reason to sound so confident of your now-apparently-wrong answer except for a sense of loyalty to the other folks in the mob and the sadistic pleasure of knowing that if you're going down, you're taking the One with you.

--
Scott Robinson

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'135479\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 12:55 PM\']
From the little we've seen, the game seems so weighted against the mob that I think you'd want to take any opportunity you can to get the One out, no matter how many mob members are left or how small your payoff will be.  
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Agreed.

Therefore, if I'm in the mob and get a chance to dialog with the One, I'm going to do everything I can to bluff him AWAY from my answer, probably by giving a patently false logic for chosing it.

But, from my way of thinking, that is going to have one of two effects: either he's gonna buy into your false logic, and choose your answer, or he's going to know your logic is false...and if he knows enough to know that, he's gonna choose your answer.

Unless I'm missing something? Seems to me you benefit most from offering as little information as you can get away with, because then you have a wrong player defending their answer, and the right player (you) saying "Hell, I have no idea." Given no help and a little help, they're gonna go for a little help most of the time.

[TimK2003]

[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'135469\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 02:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'135463\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 01:22 PM\']
An "Ask The Mob" member kinda makes the decision to try to take the existing money split it with the remaining 'team' and run (by trying to mislead the contestant)...
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I made this assumption before, and maybe it's the wrong one to make, so let me clarify something.  You have the incorrect answer, but you are selected to explain yourself via either of the One's helps.  The One sides with you and goes with your incorrect answer.  The One's obviously out as a result, and the mob splits the One's winnings.  Are you, as one who gave the incorrect answer, entitled to any portion of the winnings, because you're out too?

Because if that's not the case, there's no real impetus for you to give a real convincing bluff, as you're not going to get rewarded for it other than the surviving members giving you a hearty "thank you."  Unless I'm missing something.  (Which isn't a stretch.)

Doug
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My bad. My mind was stuck on the mob member who had the right answer, but had the opportunity to be 100% honest (in order to keep building the jackpot).

If that Mob member (who had the right answer) thought there was enough money in the jackpot for the rest of the mob to win, they could always add in their reasoning the "it's just a wild guess" factor.  The more they can convince the contestant that the wrong mob member sounds more believable with the "wild guess", the better.

This is where Greed meets Friend or Foe -- One Mob member can pretty much decide for the rest of the remaining mobsters when to try to quit, and/or when to put out a fake sense of trust.

[TLEberle]

[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'135481\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 01:00 PM\']
I should point out that my comments about focus group testing in the other thread were made satirically -- as far as I'm aware, no focus group testing has specifically pointed out sub-$50,000 winnings as disappointing. Unless I have amazing psychic abilities, in which case I have got to try out for Deal or No Deal.[/quote]On Penn Jillette's Free FM radio show, Howie Mandel was a guest on the August 30, 2006 show, ostensibly to talk about the return of "his stupid game show," at least in Penn's words. So, during the discussion they're talking about people turning down huge sums of money, and Howie mentions that there was in fact focus testing saying that people didn't like it when people won less than $50,000. I wouldn't make this stuff up, friends.

[Clay Zambo]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'135480\' date=\'Oct 24 2006, 03:57 PM\']
And I distinctly want to remember that one of the guidelines was that if you needed to use the restroom, you should absolutely speak up and say so, and they would be happy to stop down tape and have someone escort you there.

So, that said, why in the purple tapdancing hell are the 1 vs. 100 folks not allowing their contestants this same courtesy?
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I have a class with 11 kids in it.  I can let one of them run to the loo without having to stop everything.  101 dalmatians players, each of whom can cause a stopdown any time s/he needs to tink?  They'd never get anything on tape.  Sounds like a situation where you need to schedule breaks.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'135760\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 06:07 AM\']
I have a class with 11 kids in it.  I can let one of them run to the loo without having to stop everything.  101 dalmatians players, each of whom can cause a stopdown any time s/he needs to tink?  They'd never get anything on tape.  Sounds like a situation where you need to schedule breaks.
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Understood. Still, though, it strikes me that when a contestant actually pisses themselves because you told them they couldn't go to the bathroom, then you need to take a good hard look at your policies and make some changes, or you need to take a good hard look at your format and decide whether it's really feasible as a television production.

Or else, give out T-shirts that say "I Was In The Mob On 1 vs. 100 And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt And Pissy Pants".

(Hint: the contestants are your guests, not cattle. If you can't treat them as such, you do not have a feasible production.)

Maybe they can hide it and get boffo ratings for a little while, but so far they've already had one high-profile Mobster go public about his experiences. They get a couple more, and they're going to be in trouble.

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'135738\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 11:27 PM\']
So, during the discussion they're talking about people turning down huge sums of money, and Howie mentions that there was in fact focus testing saying that people didn't like it when people won less than $50,000. I wouldn't make this stuff up, friends.
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And that's one reason not to trust focus groups (another is because focus groups initially rejected "Friends" back in 1994). It's easy for them to get pissy when it's not their money.

/Screw focus groups...the hell do they know?
//Bitter? No, why do you ask? ;-)

[MSTieScott]

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'135738\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 10:27 PM\']So, during the discussion they're talking about people turning down huge sums of money, and Howie mentions that there was in fact focus testing saying that people didn't like it when people won less than $50,000. I wouldn't make this stuff up, friends. [/quote]
(jaw drops)

I'm goin' to Vegas.

--
Scott Robinson
(who also despises focus group testing)