Syndicators Bet on Game and Court Shows

[Jimmy Owen]

What about "Win, Lose or Draw"? Since both network and syndication runs began on the same day, you can't say one begat the other.  The syndication strip lasted longer, too.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'138640\' date=\'Nov 22 2006, 08:22 PM\']
What about "Win, Lose or Draw"? Since both network and syndication runs began on the same day, you can't say one begat the other.
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Nor would I. I'm almost sure that the syndie version ran before the daytime one did, didn't it?

[tvwxman]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138642\' date=\'Nov 22 2006, 11:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'138640\' date=\'Nov 22 2006, 08:22 PM\']
What about "Win, Lose or Draw"? Since both network and syndication runs began on the same day, you can't say one begat the other.
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Nor would I. I'm almost sure that the syndie version ran before the daytime one did, didn't it?
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No. Both premiered in September... Maybe even the same day

/Paging Zach
//No I'm Not.

[aaron sica]

[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'138661\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 11:28 AM\']
No. Both premiered in September... Maybe even the same day

/Paging Zach
//No I'm Not.
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I'm not Zach (thank God!), but I can help out with this one (with some help from Curt's page for exact dates).

WLoD premiered on NBC daytime on 9/7/87 (Labor Day). It took the 11:30am (EST) time slot, bumping previous occupant "Scrabble" to 12:30pm, which in turn spelled the end of "Wordplay".

Miscellaneous footnotes:

While I don't remember the exact day the syndie WLoD premiered (I'm leaning toward a week later, 9/14) I *do* remember there being a "sneak preview" show the night before its premiere.

I remember spotting a WLoD board game ("based on the TV game show") earlier that summer and having no idea what it was.

I just remember it seeming very weird that the network and syndie versions premiered so close to the other; being only 12 and not knowing much about TV I was under the impression that the daytime show had to be a hit first (i.e. WoF, Family Feud) before a nighttime version would be considered.

[TimK2003]

[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'138661\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 12:28 PM\']

No. Both premiered in September... Maybe even the same day
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According to the EOTVGS, they did premiere the same day -- 9/7/87 (and I would venture to guess that is the only game show to accomplish that feat).

Now if you really want to split hairs, depending on where you lived and what time the syndie version aired, the NBC version may have premiered before the syndicated version and vice-versa.

[aaron sica]

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'138665\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM\']
According to the EOTVGS, they did premiere the same day -- 9/7/87 (and I would venture to guess that is the only game show to accomplish that feat).

Now if you really want to split hairs, depending on where you lived and what time the syndie version aired, the NBC version may have premiered before the syndicated version and vice-versa.
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Harrisburg aired it at 4:30 or 5 in the afternoon (either WHP or WHTM its first season, for the second, it changed stations), Scranton at 7:30 (WNEP), and IIRC, in New York City, it had the dubious distinction of being the first syndicated show airing at 7:00pm on WCBS, bouncing "CBS Evening News" a half-hour earlier to 6:30pm.

[clemon79]

Really. I could have SWORN that Bert was doing the show for at least a little while before the Vicki Lawrence version popped up on NBC. I defer to those of y'all who bothered to look it up.

They say the memory is the first thing to go...unfortunately, I forgot what the second thing was...

[urbanpreppie05]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138670\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 01:34 PM\']
Really. I could have SWORN that Bert was doing the show for at least a little while before the Vicki Lawrence version popped up on NBC. I defer to those of y'all who bothered to look it up.

They say the memory is the first thing to go...unfortunately, I forgot what the second thing was...
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Your libido. :-)

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'138680\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 03:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138670\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 01:34 PM\']
Really. I could have SWORN that Bert was doing the show for at least a little while before the Vicki Lawrence version popped up on NBC. I defer to those of y'all who bothered to look it up.

They say the memory is the first thing to go...unfortunately, I forgot what the second thing was...
[/quote]

Your libido. :-)
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You each get a gold star.

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'138665\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM\']

According to the EOTVGS, they did premiere the same day -- 9/7/87 (and I would venture to guess that is the only game show to accomplish that feat).
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Yes, but the tome also claims the Alex Trebek-hosted Jeopardy! premiered on September 17th 1984, while in actual fact (at least in Cleveland OH, Columbus OH and Charleston WV) the opening show played on September 10th 1984.
Where I was in 1987, the syndicated WLOD didn't make its presence known until the Monday after Labor Day.

[Ian Wallis]

Yes, but the tome also claims the Alex Trebek-hosted Jeopardy! premiered on September 17th 1984, while in actual fact (at least in Cleveland OH, Columbus OH and Charleston WV) the opening show played on September 10th 1984.

In my area, the syndie Joker's Wild and Wheel of Fortune both premiered in late August of their respective debut years, not September as the EOTVGS states.

I guess with syndie shows before satellite delivery was common, it wasn't unusual to see some stations starting earlier than others.

[trainman]

[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'138699\' date=\'Nov 23 2006, 05:34 PM\']Yes, but the tome also claims the Alex Trebek-hosted Jeopardy! premiered on September 17th 1984, while in actual fact (at least in Cleveland OH, Columbus OH and Charleston WV) the opening show played on September 10th 1984.[/quote]

I have evidence that it also started in Cincinnati and Dayton on September 10th.  Ohio is always on the cutting edge!

(It apparently didn't start in Los Angeles until September 17th, which may be the source of the EOTVGS date.)