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clemon79

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2007, 06:00:50 PM »
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'158598\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 01:23 PM\']
1) Jimmy Carr hosts
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If it's a good format, the host shouldn't be this important.
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3) In the Dome, gold tokens = $600 ($100/player), silver = -$300 (-$50/player)
4) 100 more gold than silver = double the bucks
Have you listened to ANYTHING we've said over time about making your viewers do math, and how they won't be your viewers for long if you do that?

No, of course you haven't.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2007, 06:44:54 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158617\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 11:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'158598\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 01:23 PM\']
1) Jimmy Carr hosts
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If it's a good format, the host shouldn't be this important.
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You'd be surprised, The Crystal Maze is number one in the UKGameshows.com Best Shows Ever poll that was run last year (and came second the previous time the poll was taken five years ago, swapping places with The Mole) and it's a show everyone associated with Richard O'Brien (of Rocky Horror Show fame). Unfortunately he left, and whilst Ed Tudor Pole who replaced him did an OK job everyone complained that it wasn't the same and stopped watching.

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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2007, 07:04:33 PM »
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'158623\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 03:44 PM\']
You'd be surprised,
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No, I wouldn't. The Pyramid was never the same after it left the watchful eye of Dick Clark, either. But I wouldn't call it my NUMBER ONE concern.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 08:04:35 PM »
Oh, with the right window dressing, Countdown could be successful here.  For starters, the less it looks like Wheel of Fortune, the better (and that includes the "letter and number placer").  Make it move faster: don't waste our time pulling single letters at a time, ask for X vowels, get your set of letters, and go.  If you're afraid of it being too "smart", take away a couple of letters and simplify the numbers game, and/or extend the clock.

Heck, you could even call it Scrabble.  Just as long as you don't allow the Scrabble Players Dictionary in the building... nobody wants to watch people pulling words like QWERTYS out of their rear ends.

The prizes are completely irrelevant to Countdown.  You scale to match what you can afford in your prize budget.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2007, 10:17:49 PM »
I'm wondering if perhaps a US countdown shouldn't be marketed as a game for adults as it should for (junior) high schoolers whether it's through GSN as an NVC-esque venture or as a format to sell to local stations a la It's Academic.  The numbers rounds aren't so dissimilar to the 24 Game and the letters games and conundrums could rival the Spelling Bee in terms of proving lexical accumen.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2007, 11:51:17 PM »
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'158563\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 10:08 AM\']The problem is that American producers feel the need to cater to the widest possible audience.  That's the biggest reason why British and other international programs are "dumbed down" here, and a big reason that purely intellectual exercises like Countdown, Mastermind or 15-to-1 aren't even tried.[/quote]This comes from a Mastermind fan, by the by, but my big problem with Mastermind is the first round. If the subjects are uninteresting, then I either fast-forward, or I would channel flip. 15-to-1 falls in the same lather-rinse-repeat category as Camouflage and Countdown.

If Mastermind was done with accessible material, it could work. Countdown's problem (for me anyhow) is two-fold:

1) You're watching the same thing over and over again.
2) And it gets all the less interesting when I realize that I'm completely crap at both letters and number

On Jeopardy!, I have a chance to get the giggity! effect that comes with a right answer roughly every 12 seconds. Even if I don't know one clue, another one is coming right up. That giggity per show ratio falls drastically when you have the specialist subjects of Mastermind, or the entire Countdown show.

So I'm watching the same thing over and over, and left with the feeling that I'm never going to do very well at all.

(Personally, I think Camouflage would be a fine addition to Now You See It. But clearly GSN isn't interested in game development...)


[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'158598\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 01:23 PM\']3) In the Dome, gold tokens = $600 ($100/player), silver = -$300 (-$50/player)
4) 100 more gold than silver = double the bucks[/quote]To continue the absurdity of this idea, why not $10 per token? Or $100? Or $49.95? There's a reason that they go with the trophy paperweight and adventure holiday.

[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'158623\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 03:44 PM\'] and it's a show everyone associated with Richard O'Brien (of Rocky Horror Show fame). Unfortunately he left, and whilst Ed Tudor Pole who replaced him did an OK job everyone complained that it wasn't the same and stopped watching.
[/quote]When I watch Richard, I get the idea that he's basing his performance on that of Willy Wonka, typically as the four naughty kids got their oh-so-timely comeuppance. He was still in charge, but you could tell that he was OK with poking fun at the contestants, yelling at them when they weren't paying attention to their surroundings and so on. All of the things that viewers at home would do.

[quote name=\'Speedy G\' post=\'158636\' date=\'Jul 25 2007, 05:04 PM\']The prizes are completely irrelevant to Countdown.  You scale to match what you can afford in your prize budget.[/quote]Praise be. Someone finally gets it. As much as there are people here who want to soil themselves over whether a big win should involve the dropping of 595 or 573 pieces of confetti, or how much a runner-up should take home, at least there are still people who realize that without a good game, you have nothing.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2007, 12:05:34 AM »
I vote yes, but either as the pre-teen show like Joe Mello suggested, or some serious courting of the upscale-urban-professional/weekend-edition-puzzle-segment crowd, however big that may be.  

Since this thread has kinda branched over to potential British imports in general, I'd love to see  Knightmare over here.  Get some greenscreen, a decent gang of puzzle writers, and some high quality* actors, and you've got a solid game.  Heck, if a group of college kids can pull off a reasonable fascimilie** using a couple of webcams and the Unreal Tournament engine, a pro version shouldn't be that hard to pull off.

* For the SciFi channel, anyway.  

** For a convention, anyway.

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2007, 12:37:30 PM »
Meanwhile, a new investment group including the Weinstein brothers have taken over the arts channel Ovation (restyling it Ovation TV) with a determination to make the channel succeed without going the lowbrow and/or reality show route that A&E and Bravo have gone.  Part of that is to try to develop original, U.S.-produced programming (all of the old Ovation's library was acquired and almost all European).  A U.S. version of "Countdown" might not be prime time and may have the demo problems, but I don't think they're shooting for 18-to-34 to begin with.  They should try it.

And considering that Harvey was trying to revive "WML?" when he was under Michael Eisner's thumb, how about trying to do it for Ovation?  Just do it in New York, get Kiernan as the host and smart people on the panel.  It just might work.