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« on: August 03, 2007, 11:34:57 AM »
I've always wondered about this, who owns the Ralph Andrews library? GSN? Sony? Ralph himself? I've always wondered, because I really like You Don't Say! and Celebrity Sweepstakes, and have wondered if GSN has ever contacted the holder of the library to air whatever is left of both series (and more), which may be a lot (I'm sure the primetime run of YDS HAS to exist...and CS had some syndicated runs, correct?). Thanks. Just something that's been bugging me...

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2007, 12:02:10 PM »
I'd love to see Celebrity Sweepstakes again, and hope more episodes exist other than just the pilot and finale; and I may be in the minority, but I actually liked the mid-70s verison of You Don't Say!

GSN certainly doesn't own it.  Speculation is that Ralph still owns it, but whether GSN would ever be interested in airing anything from it is questionable.  While Celebrity Sweepstakes was a moderate hit, how many people remember it today?  And since You Don't Say hasn't had a lengthy run since the '60s, it's another one that has probably faded from many people's memory; a lot more people probably remember Password over that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2007, 12:25:46 PM »
From what I understand, since Desilu co-produced the 60's YDS with Ralph Andrews Productions, that version rests with CBS, as does the 70's syndie run (since Viacom handled it).

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2007, 01:25:20 PM »
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159478\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 12:02 PM\']
GSN certainly doesn't own it.  Speculation is that Ralph still owns it, but whether GSN would ever be interested in airing anything from it is questionable.[/quote]

Lingo anyone?

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2007, 01:34:36 PM »
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Lingo anyone?

Good point, but I think the original poster was talking about the original series being run rather than remakes.

I know it was reported that Celebrity Sweepstakes was considered for a revival sometime in the '90s.  Do you think a show like that would fly today?  Seeing how most new games are being made these days, it would probably pale in comparison to the original series anyway...
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2007, 02:40:21 PM »
In this case, it would be the original Lingo, not a remake either.

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 02:41:30 PM »
Doesn't Burt Sugarman own "Sweepstakes"???
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2007, 02:48:23 PM »
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159487\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 01:34 PM\']
I know it was reported that Celebrity Sweepstakes was considered for a revival sometime in the '90s.  Do you think a show like that would fly today?  Seeing how most new games are being made these days, it would probably pale in comparison to the original series anyway...
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The best chance a remake of CS would have had was when Bergeron's HSq was still around.  Now that there is no active celebrity game show, it would be a much harder sell.

BTW, Didn't NBC go with Sweepstakes to compliment Marshall's Squares (and weren't they back to back at one point on the schedule?), since they both were of similar caliber (players pick celebs, celebs give gag lines with actual answers, players hope they picked right answer with right star, etc...)

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 03:20:03 PM »
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'159478\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 12:02 PM\']
I'd love to see Celebrity Sweepstakes again, and hope more episodes exist other than just the pilot and finale; and I may be in the minority, but I actually liked the mid-70s verison of You Don't Say![/quote]
I liked the 70s version as well.  But then again, I liked Password All-Stars, so I was obviously very easy to please in the mid-70s.

Still, if GSN couldn't drum up interest in classic episodes of Hollywood Squares, there's precious little chance that they'd be interested in a couple of celebrity games with even less star power.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2007, 03:23:34 PM »
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'159498\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 02:48 PM\']
BTW, Didn't NBC go with Sweepstakes to compliment Marshall's Squares (and weren't they back to back at one point on the schedule?), since they both were of similar caliber (players pick celebs, celebs give gag lines with actual answers, players hope they picked right answer with right star, etc...)
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As far as I can find here, they were never back-to-back. They sound like they would have been, I will say that, but, alas, they were not.

Oddly enough, HSQ was on in its 11:30 AM time slot from the day it premiered (10/17/1966) until the day Celebrity Sweepstakes was canceled (10/1/1976), then it moved to back an hour to 10:30 AM... CS' vacated time slot. Hmm.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2007, 02:48:44 AM »
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'159497\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:41 AM\']
Doesn't Burt Sugarman own "Sweepstakes"???
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The short answer is that NBC owned Celebrity Sweepstakes and seeing no need to save tapes of old game shows, erased and reused them, except for the last show and one other, I believe.

For those who like more details, here's my story: I've always liked game and quiz shows, from Dr. IQ on the radio to Split Second, for which I'd come home for lunch to watch. Everyone told me that I should go on. One day in 1976 my next door neighbor who knew someone or other said that she was going to try out for a game show, and would I like to come along. It was a return of You Don't Say developed at Warner Bros. in Burbank. I think on my 4th visit, the contestant coordinator read lists of names of those they wanted to stay, and the rest could leave, thank you very much. It turned out that every name was read except for two people; I was one. I never felt lower in my life driving home.

About two months later I got a phone call from a Ralph Andrews staffer saying that they just bought Celebrity Sweepstakes back from Bert Sugarman, NBC is trying to pump the ratings, and they need contestants right now, and could I be at the NBC studios in a couple of days. They said that while the celebrities had been fed answers before, that was going to stop. So, for example, Carol Wayne who had come across as a bimbo who really is smart, would now be just a bimbo—except for showbiz questions.

I went on the second "day." The celebrities were Bill Cullen, Alan Sues, Norm Crosby, Carol Wayne, Elaine Joyce and Pat Carroll. The only questions I remember was that Pat didn't know that a hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards, and that Elaine misspelled "mayonnaise." I bet on Bill Cullen the most and he essentially won me $25,000. I never felt higher in my life driving home!

Some weeks later, my family was watching my appearance, and about 20 minutes into the show the telephone rang. It was Irene who screamed, "Clanky, you can't possibly win—you're too far behind!" I said, "Just watch the show!" and hung up. It really was an exciting come-from-behind win. This was the first of my 5 game show appearances.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 10:26:43 AM »
[quote name=\'clanky06\' post=\'159542\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 01:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'159497\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:41 AM\']
Doesn't Burt Sugarman own "Sweepstakes"???
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This was the first of my 5 game show appearances.
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Welcome to the group Clanky!  I definitely would like to hear more of your game show experiences.

Now, as a *real* test to us game show buffs, can we name the other 4 shows on which he appeared?

I'll take "Tic Tac Dough", since I have one of your appearances in my collection... :)

Matt

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 12:52:28 PM »
[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'159556\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 07:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'clanky06\' post=\'159542\' date=\'Aug 4 2007, 01:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'159497\' date=\'Aug 3 2007, 11:41 AM\']
Doesn't Burt Sugarman own "Sweepstakes"???
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This was the first of my 5 game show appearances.
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Welcome to the group Clanky!  I definitely would like to hear more of your game show experiences.

Now, as a *real* test to us game show buffs, can we name the other 4 shows on which he appeared?

I'll take "Tic Tac Dough", since I have one of your appearances in my collection... :)

Matt
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Thank you Matt—yes, Tic Tac Dough was another of my game show appearances. In fact, I was on it twice, in 1979 before the Thom McKee "run," then due to a question having Copernicus' birth off by a hundred years, I returned in 1980 after Thom. I did see Thom in the "green room" while he was still on, and he remarked, "I think they want me off the show." Maybe my more detailed Tic Tac Dough and Dan Enright reminiscences should go in another thread. I was at the same table as Thom at last year's GSC luncheon, and chatted with him again this year.

I doubt that anyone would get my second game show in 1977. Hint: the principal producer once was part of a singing group, all from Hollywood High School, and the creator-producer and I were reunited at this year's Game Show Congress.

My fifth Game Show appearance was in 1993—and there are a lot of behind-the-scenes anecdotes and stories about this one!

For the first two, I went on as "Clarence," my drivers license name, but used my nickname "Clanky" on the last three.

Yes, I have fond memories of all my game show experiences. I am grateful for the opportunities for just an ordinary guy to momentarily step up to the national stage for his "15 minutes of fame" (a little more, in my case). It was challenging, fun and rewarding!

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2007, 04:09:05 PM »
I vaguely remember a Clanky on Scrabble... was that you?
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2007, 04:20:31 PM »
Welcome Clanky or Clarence :-), always great to read a contestant's stories.

I'll guess that the 1993 show was "Scrabble"?
EDIT: HYHYBT mentioned it as well.
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