Author Topic: Duel Returns in April (Read 15316 times)

TLEberle · « **Reply #45 on:** March 20, 2008, 09:22:21 PM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'182045\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 04:01 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'182039\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 02:55 PM\']Do you (or does someone) know how they establish how much the champ must risk? It's not the Jack Barry Twenty-One method of taking your dethroner's winnings out of yours, is it?[/quote]
I'm almost certain it's not a per-point thing like the old Twenty-One, no.[/quote]There is no longer any risk on the British version. Contestants who win their second or third duel play one question against the press, and depending on how many chips are used (1, 2 or 3), the contestant wins cash if the correct answer is covered. That cash is theirs to keep no matter what.

Before the seventh episode or so, contestants who won their second duel would risk their cash prize to continue (either £10,000 or 10% of the jackpot at that time). After risking, the contestant either won the entirety of the jackpot or nothing at all.

Brig Bother · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2008, 07:25:58 AM »

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'182057\' date=\'Mar 21 2008, 01:22 AM\']

Before the seventh episode or so, contestants who won their second duel would risk their cash prize to continue (either £10,000 or 10% of the jackpot at that time). After risking, the contestant either won the entirety of the jackpot or nothing at all.
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Not quite true, if someone was to win a third duel they'd have been offered £20k or 20%, but everybody walked away at the first opportunity.

weaklink75 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 29, 2008, 07:04:11 PM »

Well they updated the website with the rules...

here's a quick hit on some of the changes...

-The winner of each Duel has a chance to double the winnings of the game with the "Max Moment Question" (Pepsi Max is sponsoring the show again).

-After the MMQ, they can quit and take what they've won or risk it and play on.

-If a player wins FIVE duels in a row, they win $500,000 (which would be the same as if they won all five Duels with all 10 chips, then answered the MMQ correctly each time- assuming the chips are still worth $5,000 each)...not sure if they mean they win $500K on top of what they had won in the other four Duels or they just augment the total to $500K (which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)...and five Duels is a lot- the UK version they only have to win four..

-and BTW, they have 2 new "chip girls" (per their press site pics)

clemon79 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 29, 2008, 08:27:19 PM »

[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 04:04 PM\']
(which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)[/quote]
Why? Because it's the same money they would win if they played a completely perfect set of five games?

parliboy · « **Reply #49 on:** March 30, 2008, 11:58:59 AM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'182810\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 07:27 PM\'] [quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 04:04 PM\']
(which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)[/quote]
Why? Because it's the same money they would win if they played a completely perfect set of five games? [/quote]
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"

That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.

clemon79 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 30, 2008, 02:38:58 PM »

[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'182841\' date=\'Mar 30 2008, 08:58 AM\']
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"

That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.
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Fair point. I have to question, however, the likelihood of a situation like that coming up.

But your point about penalizing a dominant player is a good one.

Speedy G · « **Reply #51 on:** March 30, 2008, 11:50:38 PM »

[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'182841\' date=\'Mar 30 2008, 11:58 AM\']
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"

That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.
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To play devil's advocate, if a player won a duel with most of their chips still in hand, it's probably because the other player had a brainfart more than the winner nailing all the right answers.

The only way it isn't at least a double-or-nothing gambit is a 3/3 run on the Max Moments and 25+/30 possible chips left over from the 3 winning duels, which probably doesn't happen without three straight quick victories.

/If someone manages to produce this, congrats on them for their quarter-million dollar win after they walk away smiling

tpirfan28 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 01, 2008, 09:06:52 AM »

Some updates from Mike during Mike and Mike this morning:

OMG the pen is gone. Golic also said the pen was a "focal point" and distracting.

Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.

There will be more host banter, and Greeny gets to get some jabs in too (donno how well that's going to go, but we'll see).

davidhammett · « **Reply #53 on:** April 01, 2008, 10:12:56 AM »

[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 07:04 PM\']
-If a player wins FIVE duels in a row, they win $500,000 (which would be the same as if they won all five Duels with all 10 chips, then answered the MMQ correctly each time- assuming the chips are still worth $5,000 each)...not sure if they mean they win $500K on top of what they had won in the other four Duels or they just augment the total to $500K (which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)...and five Duels is a lot- the UK version they only have to win four..
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Although I don't know exactly what they finally settled on, my understanding is that the chips are not worth anything on this new version. Rather, the money a player wins for winning a Duel will be determined by how long the Duel lasts -- a player who wins the Duel on the first question won't win as much as one who wins it after, say, six or seven questions. As for whether the $500K will be additional or an augmented sum, my prediction is for the latter.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #54 on:** April 01, 2008, 10:35:03 AM »

[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'182966\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 09:06 AM\']
Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.[/quote]
It's a start.

clemon79 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 01, 2008, 11:58:24 AM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'182970\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 07:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'182966\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 09:06 AM\']
Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.[/quote]
It's a start.
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Well, figure, what, 45 minutes of actual program with commercials yanked? Then yank out another five for between-game stuff. They're now resolving an entire question, start to finish, in just under a minute and forty-five seconds. That really isn't that bad. Not Jeopardy!, for sure, but not bad a all.

weaklink75 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2008, 02:56:27 PM »

[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'182969\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 10:12 AM\']
Although I don't know exactly what they finally settled on, my understanding is that the chips are not worth anything on this new version. Rather, the money a player wins for winning a Duel will be determined by how long the Duel lasts -- a player who wins the Duel on the first question won't win as much as one who wins it after, say, six or seven questions. As for whether the $500K will be additional or an augmented sum, my prediction is for the latter.
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You're right- it's based on the length of the Duel...based from the videos on the show site, here's the ladder...

questions-Duel value
1-$1,000
2-$2,500
3-$5,000
4-$10,000
5-$15,000
6-$20,000
7-$25,000
8-$30,000
9-$40,000
10+=$50,000

They've also updated the online game FWIW... biggest change is there's a MSN search function you can use once every 10 questions...

itiparanoid13 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2008, 02:58:43 PM »

Just saw that too. Isn't that over complicating the system a bit? I mean I would think it would have been much easier to say "You get $5,000 for each chip left and you can double it on this question." One of the models, in one of the videos, said she got every question right one episode. So either they hired very smart models or we've pulled a 1 VS 100 and dumbed down the game.

But yeah, do we officially know if five Duels augments you to $500,000 (I'll search this thread, I might have missed it)? Because with how they have it set up, with 5 duels if it takes 10+ questions and you double it each time there's $500,000 there as well.

WhammyPower · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2008, 03:00:07 PM »

[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'183266\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 01:56 PM\'] They've also updated the online game FWIW... biggest change is there's a MSN search function you can use once every 10 questions... [/quote]
Why not just Google every question?

clemon79 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 04, 2008, 03:05:56 PM »

[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'183267\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 11:58 AM\']
Because with how they have it set up, with 5 duels if it takes 10+ questions and you double it each time there's $500,000 there as well.[/quote]
And how many Duels did we see go 10 questions on the original run of the show?

Really, it's an idiotic idea; it's overcomplicated and it encourages letting your opponent hang around a while, which is completely anathema to the concept of a head-to-head game.

It's Duel. You do not play around with your opponent; you go in for the kill.