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[Jimmy Owen]

Well, Alice was so good with the questions that it would have been a blowout even if she had taken the instant bargains.  

But, as Mr. Howard said, the strategy did get her off the show quicker.

[TLEberle]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188233\' date=\'Jun 14 2008, 05:55 AM\']My contention is that a player who picks up the instant bargains and the lot will go home with more prizes than someone who just picks up the lot.  If that can be refuted, maybe I'll change my mind about it.[/quote]But you changed the terms midstream. Your contention was "she could have been a better champion if X." I said that one had nothing to do with the other. You held fast, saying here that someone might change your mind, but you haven't refuted my rebuttal. (confused yet?) Saying that "A champion who wins more prizes than just the lot will have won more than someone who just won the lot" isn't saying anything at all.

If you acknowledge that your original point was either flawed, or not quite what you meant, that's fine and I've had my say. But I do think I'm owed an answer here.

[Jimmy Owen]

She left prizes on the table (and money from which the taxes could be paid) when she didn't have to.   She was so far out in front that the games were blowouts.  As a viewer, I'm more excited when the games are close.  Hope that answer is satisfactory.

[toetyper]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188403\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 04:30 AM\']
She left prizes on the table (and money from which the taxes could be paid) when she didn't have to.   She was so far out in front that the games were blowouts.  As a viewer, I'm more excited when the games are close.  Hope that answer is satisfactory.
[/quote]

 
BUT youre not accoounting for the risk of having to win 2 or 3 more games; everyone has ther nancy zerg

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188403\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 01:30 AM\']
As a viewer, I'm more excited when the games are close.[/quote]
As a contestant, she could give a damn whether you're excited or not.

[Jimmy Owen]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'188413\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 11:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188403\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 01:30 AM\']
As a viewer, I'm more excited when the games are close.[/quote]
As a contestant, she could give a damn whether you're excited or not.
[/quote]
QFT.  If she couldn't give up a few bucks now and then, how could she give a damn?

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188415\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 09:16 AM\']
QFT.  If she couldn't give up a few bucks now and then, how could she give a damn?[/quote]
I'm genuinely not sure if you're just being obstinate at this point or if you just don't get the point that other people are presenting here.

[Jimmy Owen]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'188422\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 01:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188415\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 09:16 AM\']
QFT.  If she couldn't give up a few bucks now and then, how could she give a damn?[/quote]
I'm genuinely not sure if you're just being obstinate at this point or if you just don't get the point that other people are presenting here.
[/quote]


I understand and respect your and other's points.  I watch the shows for their entertainment values, which don't always match a particular contestant's strategy.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188425\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 11:02 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'188422\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 01:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188415\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 09:16 AM\']
QFT.  If she couldn't give up a few bucks now and then, how could she give a damn?[/quote]
I'm genuinely not sure if you're just being obstinate at this point or if you just don't get the point that other people are presenting here.
[/quote]

I understand and respect your and other's points.  I watch the shows for their entertainment values, which don't always match a particular contestant's strategy.
[/quote]
Here's the answer, I think. The contestant's aim is to win the most possible, as efficiently as possible. The contestant coordinator's aim is to make good television. Therefore, the contestant coordinators need to try and convince the contestants against certain strategies which, although would be lucrative for them, would produce bad television. This is why they want less Alice Conkwrights.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'188425\' date=\'Jun 18 2008, 11:02 AM\']
I understand and respect your and other's points.  I watch the shows for their entertainment values, which don't always match a particular contestant's strategy.[/quote]
Then I ask you this, because maybe we're discussing this from differing definitions: are you saying she's a "poor champion" simply because you didn't enjoy watching her, or are you saying she's a "poor champion" because you think she played the game suboptimally (STRATEGICALLY suboptimally, not will-Jimmy-like-what-I'm-doing suboptimally) and was successful despite that?

Because if it's the former, then that's fine and you're working under the contestant coordinator's definition of "poor." But I'm reasonably sure you're the only one in this thread operating under that definition, too.

[PYLclark86]

Someone on the show liked her, since they asked her to come back for their International Invitational in 1987.

I actually thought her antics could be quite funny, especially when Jim would try anything to get her to buy a bargain. Some of their banter was entertaining.

Jim: "If you buy this washing machine, I'll give you $100 to go with it"
Alice: "But my washing machine still works, it's old but it works."
Jim: "I'll give you another $100 to go break the darn thing!"