TPiR Season 37 changes

[tvwxman]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'194636\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 05:04 PM\']
Perhaps if everyone understood why the Make Your Mark change was implemented, it would stand to reason why some [of us] get frustrated.

Perhaps the game will just go away anyway, and this will all be moot.
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Okay....'why' was the Make Your Mark change implemented?

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'194636\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 02:04 PM\']
Perhaps if everyone understood why the Make Your Mark change was implemented, it would stand to reason why some [of us] get frustrated.[/quote]
No, it really wouldn't. Because what you people don't seem to pick up on is that the average viewer DOESN'T CARE. If the average viewer even notices (and 99.999% of the time, they don't), they see a rule change that, frankly, makes a good bit of sense.

[Sodboy13]

[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'194631\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 02:57 PM\']
I'm wondering if the next change isn't gonna be something along the lines of dropping 15 seconds on Race Game or something wonky with Triple Play.
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Also, Golden Road will be played for increasingly large jars of cookies.

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194577\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 02:40 AM\']Because the money wasn't intended as a bargaining chip.  It was a bonus for getting everything right on your first try.  If you thought you didn't have the last marker in the right place, the only logical choice was to give up the money -- because if it was indeed wrong, you'd already lost the money, anyway.[/quote]This part has been sticking in my craw. If this money (as you say) was intended to be a bonus, why didn't they present it as such? Why not say "If you get all three right on your first try, not only do you win all three prizes BUT I'll give you $500 as well for being a good shopper"? Then after they make their three guesses, you ask for the bell or buzzer. If it's a bell, fantastic. If it's a buzzer, they change one to win all three. That sounds more straightforward than all this bonus nonsense.

Under these new rules, if you aren't sure what the last price is, you can just keep the marker where it is and walk away with $500...and if you happen to win in the process, so much the better.  It's ridiculous.

Yes, your statement is ridiculous. When do you see contestants truly try to lose the games? If they don't switch the marker, couldn't it just be...because they think they're right? They might still switch if their friends in the audience tell them to.

I don't believe this change will lead to fewer wins. In fact, I think it'll be won more than ever. It seemed that every time a contestant was about to change a marker in this game, Bob or Drew would remind them that they'd lose the $500 and they'd have second thoughts. Now, there's no such barrier.

I would have made another change to this game, actually. I think it could use a split screen. One box on the contestant. Another on the model and prize. One each on the remaining two tags.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'194648\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 03:28 PM\']
It seemed that every time a contestant was about to change a marker in this game, Bob or Drew would remind them that they'd lose the $500 and they'd have second thoughts. Now, there's no such barrier.[/quote]
I'm going to ask the class again, because we don't seem to have this straight. Under the NEW RULES (NOT the old rules. THE NEW ONES), how much cash money does the contestant win in the following situations. One of them, I actually know and will furnish:

Does not switch, wins: $500
Does not switch, loses: ?
Switches, wins: ?
Switches, loses: ?

Really, we need to get this down in black and white, definitively, because some people (and maybe "some people" includes "me") aren't getting it.

[TroubadourNando]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194649\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'194648\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 03:28 PM\']
It seemed that every time a contestant was about to change a marker in this game, Bob or Drew would remind them that they'd lose the $500 and they'd have second thoughts. Now, there's no such barrier.[/quote]
I'm going to ask the class again, because we don't seem to have this straight. Under the NEW RULES (NOT the old rules. THE NEW ONES), how much cash money does the contestant win in the following situations. One of them, I actually know and will furnish:

Does not switch, wins: $500
Does not switch, loses: ?
Switches, wins: ?
Switches, loses: ?

Really, we need to get this down in black and white, definitively, because some people (and maybe "some people" includes "me") aren't getting it.
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The impression I have is that if you keep the mark you'll get the money, and if you switch you won't.

/is bored with the overuse of 'fanb0is' but does agree this change is really minor

[Allstar87]

[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'194647\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:22 PM\']
Also, Golden Road will be played for increasingly large jars of cookies.
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Make 'em Mrs. Fields, and you'll hear no complaints from me.

[tpirfan28]

[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'194660\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 08:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'194647\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:22 PM\']
Also, Golden Road will be played for increasingly large jars of cookies.
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Make 'em Mrs. Fields, and you'll hear no complaints from me.
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Can't exactly pay for a spot right now, sadly.

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'194665\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 08:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'194660\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 08:01 PM\']
Make 'em Mrs. Fields, and you'll hear no complaints from me.
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Can't exactly pay for a spot right now, sadly.
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RICH: "These chocolate chip cookies always make for a tasty treat!"

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'194648\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:28 PM\']I don't believe this change will lead to fewer wins. In fact, I think it'll be won more than ever. It seemed that every time a contestant was about to change a marker in this game, Bob or Drew would remind them that they'd lose the $500 and they'd have second thoughts. Now, there's no such barrier.[/quote]
If it leads to more wins, it's only gonna be a fluke caused entirely by contestants having all the markers in the right spots to begin with (which, statistically, is actually less than likely).  It's a three-prize game -- a category of game which is usually gonna feature prizes a contestant is going to be less interested in than $500 in cash.  If all they care about is the money, there is absolutely NO reason to move the marker, regardless of whether or not you think it's in the right place.

[TLEberle]

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194628\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 12:32 PM\']And if they do, so freakin what! The core concept of the game is still there.[/quote] The "core" of the game is Double Prices meets Monty Hall Problem.

If these changes were made out of any rational basis (the game wasn't producing enough winners, enough excitement, confusion on someone's part, or any of a heap of reasons) then it would make sense. Make Your Mark made sense as it was. There's no reason to change the rules this far downstream, when the game was plugging along just fine before.

It seems like many of the changes so far have been 1) random, 2) "because we can," and 3) greenlit by an EP who has no earthly clue what he's doing, and seeing which spaghetti strands will stick to the wall.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194683\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:59 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:49 PM\']Make Your Mark made sense as it was.[/quote]So what?  It still does.[/quote]
No, it doesn't.  I still haven't heard a good explanation -- or even a bad explanation -- for how it makes sense to give any contestant who doesn't care about the prizes $500 just for getting onstage.

[TLEberle]

[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194683\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 07:59 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:49 PM\']Make Your Mark made sense as it was.
[/quote]So what?  It still does.  Pick up the pieces and move on with your life already.[/quote]I really resent that. I'm trying to add some reasoning and logic to the discussion here, and I'm treated as if I'm some sort of defective who can't deal with change.

Neither are true, and that was utterly uncalled for on your part.

[TroubadourNando]

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194628\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 12:32 PM\']And if they do, so freakin what! The core concept of the game is still there.[/quote] The "core" of the game is Double Prices meets Monty Hall Problem.

If these changes were made out of any rational basis (the game wasn't producing enough winners, enough excitement, confusion on someone's part, or any of a heap of reasons) then it would make sense. Make Your Mark made sense as it was. There's no reason to change the rules this far downstream, when the game was plugging along just fine before.

It seems like many of the changes so far have been 1) random, 2) "because we can," and 3) greenlit by an EP who has no earthly clue what he's doing, and seeing which spaghetti strands will stick to the wall.
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This pretty much sums up how I feel, though I think the 3 Strikes change was done in good intentions but just didn't work on the first attempt.

I honestly do want to find some reason to like this... but no matter how much I think, I just can't understand what prompted it. If I understood that, I'd be a-ok.

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194684\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194683\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:59 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:49 PM\']Make Your Mark made sense as it was.[/quote]So what?  It still does.[/quote]
No, it doesn't.  I still haven't heard a good explanation -- or even a bad explanation -- for how it makes sense to give any contestant who doesn't care about the prizes $500 just for getting onstage.
[/quote]It isn't any worse than Step Up then, is it?