TPiR Season 37 changes

[TheLastResort]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194684\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:00 PM\']I still haven't heard a good explanation -- or even a bad explanation -- for how it makes sense to give any contestant who doesn't care about the prizes $500 just for getting onstage.[/quote]
Why would anybody NOT want to win the prizes??  Even if they don't want them, they can still sell them.  Have you ever heard of anybody deliberately trying to lose a game???

[PYLdude]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194684\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194683\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:59 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:49 PM\']Make Your Mark made sense as it was.[/quote]So what?  It still does.[/quote]
No, it doesn't.  I still haven't heard a good explanation -- or even a bad explanation -- for how it makes sense to give any contestant who doesn't care about the prizes $500 just for getting onstage.
[/quote]

They're already getting merchandise which ranges from just below that to two, three, or sometimes four, times that just for getting onstage.

What's your point?

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194687\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:13 PM\']It isn't any worse than Step Up then, is it?[/quote]
Yes.  The key difference in Step Up is that even if you don't care about the prizes, you win more money every time you don't quit and go on to make another correct guess.  You can get $3,000 if you win the game, versus only $500 if you quit at the first possible opportunity.

[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194690\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:18 PM\']Why would anybody NOT want to win the prizes??  Even if they don't want them, they can still sell them.  Have you ever heard of anybody deliberately trying to lose a game???[/quote]
Yes.  I've seen episodes where I'm pretty darn sure somebody intentionally overbid on the second showcase so that they wouldn't have to win prizes they didn't want.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'194692\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:21 PM\']They're already getting merchandise which ranges from just below that to two, three, or sometimes four, times that just for getting onstage.

What's your point?[/quote]
If they don't want the prizes in Barker's Marker$, do you really think they're gonna be any less indifferent about the Item up for Bids?

[TroubadourNando]

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194687\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:13 PM\']
It isn't any worse than Step Up then, is it?
[/quote]

No, but you left out a key element---"worse than Step Up" is not possible.

/is shot

[TheLastResort]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194693\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:28 PM\']I've seen episodes where I'm pretty darn sure somebody intentionally overbid on the second showcase so that they wouldn't have to win prizes they didn't want.[/quote]
I've seen contestants pass big showcases because they already won a car etc., but purposely blowing a bid?  I don't think so.  Never underestimate the stupidity of the average contestant.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'194698\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:38 PM\']I've seen contestants pass big showcases because they already won a car etc., but purposely blowing a bid?  I don't think so.  Never underestimate the stupidity of the average contestant.[/quote]
It doesn't happen very often at all, and I can't think of any specific examples right now, but yes, I have seen it.  And we're gonna see it in Barker's Marker$, too, if the explanation ends up boiling down -- and it will -- to "If you leave the marker where it is, you'll win $500 no matter what happens, but if you move it and you're wrong, you won't win anything."

...and how is intentionally losing prizes you don't want "stupid?"

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'194682\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 09:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194628\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 12:32 PM\']And if they do, so freakin what! The core concept of the game is still there.[/quote] The "core" of the game is Double Prices meets Monty Hall Problem.[/quote]I was actually referring to the complaints directed at 3 Strikes.

...and how is intentionally losing prizes you don't want "stupid?"

Because you look like a ninny. Win the game, then forfeit the prizes.

If getting to the showcase is important to you, potentially forfeiting a better spot in the lineup would be foolhardy too.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194703\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:05 AM\']Because you look like a ninny. Win the game, then forfeit the prizes.[/quote]
Why bother when you can guarantee yourself $500 without even trying?

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194703\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:05 AM\']If getting to the showcase is important to you, potentially forfeiting a better spot in the lineup would be foolhardy too.[/quote]
True -- but are you really gonna be thinking about that in the middle of your pricing game, especially if Drew's just told you how you can win $500 without doing anything?

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194702\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 08:49 PM\']
2.)  It's not my fault that five segments of the show have received a total of eight separate changes -- most of them either badly thought-out or completely asinine -- in a period of less than two months.[/quote]
Are you *really* classifying "you can take $500 and walk" as EITHER badly thought-out OR completely asinine? Really really?

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194707\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:31 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194702\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 08:49 PM\']2.)  It's not my fault that five segments of the show have received a total of eight separate changes -- most of them either badly thought-out or completely asinine -- in a period of less than two months.[/quote]Are you *really* classifying "you can take $500 and walk" as EITHER badly thought-out OR completely asinine? Really really?[/quote]
Yes, and I'm completely dumbfounded by the fact that you and so many others aren't.

But of course, I'm sure you'll just blow it off by calling me a fanb0i without actually bothering to explain why I'm wrong.

[Jimmy Owen]

Isn't this like Temptation where you could "take the gifts and leave or go for the car, but if you have one number wrong you lose the gifts and you lose the car."  Why didn't everyone take the gifts?

/only a casual price viewer.

[BrandonFG]

(Showing up late to the party as always!)

I actually started reading from the point that tpirfan28 (sorry, don't know your name) posted the rule change, and I'm seeing things from a few angles. I think parliboy and sodboy made the most valid points, esp. the former's point of this saving the show money in the case of products they still go out of pocket for. This seems less like a change on GP, as opposed to a change for the sake of the budget. However, ClockGameJohn referred to a reason for the change, and since Connecti-Matt's question, I haven't seen an answer...

And honestly, until I read Wikipedia and Brad Francini's page about 20 minutes ago, I had no idea about how the $500 offer even worked. Although the idea of a buy-in to see if you've won is very intriguing, I see no harm, nor foul in what's a minor rule change. Except for the prize levels, is it really any different than someone potentially taking home $7,500 on the first shot in Let 'Em Roll? Sorry, but when I'm staring down $4- or $5,000 in prizes I have no use for and could care less about what they cost, I'm taking the five Benjamins and preparing my wheel-spinning strategy.

And as big of a game show fan as I am, I would never would've recognized a difference were I not a member of this forum. I'm pretty sure Henrietta Homemaker will give two brown nuggets about it either.

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'194705\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 11:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'194703\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:05 AM\']Because you look like a ninny. Win the game, then forfeit the prizes.[/quote]
Why bother when you can guarantee yourself $500 without even trying?[/quote]You didn't read the first part of my argument, I see.  Are you willing to guarantee yourself $500 at the expensive of looking like a complete asshat?

[clemon79]

Well THAT'S certainly going to promote civil discourse.

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194722\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 02:32 AM\']
Well THAT'S certainly going to promote civil discourse.[/quote]Perhaps I should have worded it better.  When I said 'asshat' I didn't mean Steve in particular...just any contestant on the show.