Author Topic: Another TPIR Change (Read 33270 times)

PYLdude · « **Reply #75 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197458\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 11:34 AM\']

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OTOH, giving these people a hard time because they're easy targets is unhealthy and displays an acute lack of maturity.

Congratulations on not getting it.[/quote]
Ummmm...
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I'm gonna regret this...

point being that it doesn't have as much to do with them being from PIR fan heaven that it does with their opinion that they're right and everyone else should shut up...

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #76 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:46:35 PM »

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197438\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']It's really depressing to see how little some of the people on this site understand the intricacies of this show.[/quote]
In my continuing effort to try and keep us somewhere in the general area of civility, I will point out that this was an unnecessary cheap shot, and that you're smart enough to know it was when you typed it.

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #77 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:46:44 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]
Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those. I've even told some of those people over AIM that they did indeed have valid points that were getting buried because of the bullheadedness of people like you and Lemon who prefer to shout instead of actually presenting arguments.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\']And I have a problem with you because by your refusal to even LISTEN to dissenting opinions, you're acting like a complete and utter condescending jerk, and that's not right.[/quote]
This is a FAR better description of you than of me.

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #78 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:48:44 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197460\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:46 PM\']In my continuing effort to try and keep us somewhere in the general area of civility, I will point out that this was an unnecessary cheap shot, and that you're smart enough to know it was when you typed it.[/quote]
Yeah, it was. It doesn't mean I don't completely believe it.

PYLdude · « **Reply #79 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:49:47 PM »

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197461\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]
Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those.[/quote]

But you have.

Just because you don't consider something positive doesn't mean that it isn't.

And I always let my dissenters have their piece. I may argue a little more, but I don't instantly dismiss it with a "you're wrong, I'm right, nananana" like you do.

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #80 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:51:43 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197464\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:49 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197461\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:46 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197455\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197451\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197441\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:36 PM\']Now we can't say anything positive about any changes TPIR makes because Steve and John won't have it.[/quote]Provide a positive reaction that makes sense, and I won't criticize it.[/quote]There's been plenty.[/quote]Yes, and I've already said that I haven't criticized those.[/quote]But you have.[/quote]
And how, pray tell, do you know this when you don't even know which people I'm talking about? Hell, I'll say straight out that Armadillo's assessment of Barker's Marker$ made sense, even though I didn't agree that it was the best way to look at the issue.

If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.

PYLdude · « **Reply #81 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:56:10 PM »

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']
If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.
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Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #82 on:** September 17, 2008, 02:57:03 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197464\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:49 PM\']And I always let my dissenters have their piece. I may argue a little more, but I don't instantly dismiss it with a "you're wrong, I'm right, nananana" like you do.[/quote]
No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."

EDIT: I present your first post in this very thread, where you did exactly this without bothering to explain at all why we were wrong.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.

PYLdude · « **Reply #83 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:04:12 PM »

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.
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I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.

And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.

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No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."

Actually, the quoted portion of this particular blurb is all you, buddy.

Here's what it should say.

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"You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing and refusing to see that other people don't believe your opinion is either right, valid, or logical, so you're wrong and overreacting."

There. Done.

J.R. · « **Reply #84 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:08:58 PM »

Avocado!

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #85 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:13:01 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.[/quote]I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.[/quote]
Well, then you apparently remember that part of the conversation significantly differently than he and I do.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\']And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.[/quote]
Why would their posting history have anything to do with whether they were right or wrong?

(Nevermind that the statement isn't even true.)

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']No, you usually tend to do it with something more along the lines of, "You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing, so you're wrong and overreacting."[/quote]Actually, the quoted portion of this particular blurb is all you, buddy.[/quote]
...that doesn't even make sense.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 03:04 PM\']Here's what it should say.

"You're talking negatively about what the staff of The Price Is Right is doing and refusing to see that other people don't believe your opinion is either right, valid, or logical, so you're wrong and overreacting."[/quote]
The way you've written it, that's also a far better description of you than it is of me. At least I take the time to explain why I think other people are looking at things the wrong way -- your tendency is to just blow off anything John or I say with, "Well, it's John/Steve, so they must be wrong."

chris319 · « **Reply #86 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:18:10 PM »

Time to turn off the flames, boys. I'm turning off the air conditioning in the Iso Booth.

Mr. Armadillo · « **Reply #87 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:26:06 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197475\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197469\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'197468\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'197465\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 01:51 PM\']If I've criticized someone's ideas in one of these threads, you can rest assured that I did so because I didn't think they were following any logic.[/quote]Oh, BS. Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets the flame broiling, regardless of logical posts.[/quote]
Go back and read the rest of that post you quoted. The part about where that was exactly what I didn't do to Armadillo, which you conveniently left out.
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I considered what you did to Armadillo flaming.

And you conveniently left out the fact that anyone, REGARDLESS OF POSTING HISTORY, that has disagreed with you on anything related to TPIR changes has tasted the blunt end of the TPIRSteve branding iron.
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...wait, what? When did I get flamed? I don't remember that at all. I remember making my point, Steve conceding it, and then that whole Steve/everyone else flame war going back to where it was before I made my point to begin with. The whole reason my point was dropped is because it was conceded and therefore no further discussion was to be made on it.

Dbacksfan12 · « **Reply #88 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:31:46 PM »

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'197427\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 06:08 AM\']
You've:

A. Never been to the studio.
B. Never been a contestant.
C. All of the above.
[/quote]What was the point of this? You guys are "more right" [sic] because you've been there before? Many have technical expertise in the field of broadcasting, many don't. But not being at the studio doesn't make their opinions any less valid.

clemon79 · « **Reply #89 on:** September 17, 2008, 03:38:12 PM »

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'197488\' date=\'Sep 17 2008, 12:31 PM\']What was the point of this? You guys are "more right" [sic] because you've been there before? Many have technical expertise in the field of broadcasting, many don't. But not being at the studio doesn't make their opinions any less valid.[/quote]I believe the point John was making was that if you haven't been there, then you don't know just how apeshiat the atmosphere is inside of that studio.

Which is valid, but also counterable with "and if you haven't seen an actual reaction to the new setup, and you're gonna play the "you haven't been there so you don't know" card, then you can't use how you *think* it will play out as an argument as to why it is bad."