Author Topic: TPIR Poll (?) (Read 20072 times)

chris319 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 26, 2008, 12:49:20 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'204737\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 07:42 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'204735\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 09:21 AM\']They could have one Showcase Showdown with all 5 contestants.[/quote]
You know...that's not the absolute worse outside-the-box idea I've seen.[/quote]
Boring. I can't see extending the SS without making it drag. If you had spinoffs it would be interminable. No need to drop an entire act, either. One SS with the top 3 winners immediately prior to the Showcases would work. You'd pick up, what, 3:00 - 4:00 that way?

Under Barker the SS could be played fast or slow as needed for time, and he knew how to do that.

Unrealtor · « **Reply #16 on:** December 26, 2008, 01:06:04 PM »

[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'204735\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 09:21 AM\']They could have one Showcase Showdown with all 5 contestants.[/quote]

Let the top winner through automatically and let the other 4 spin it out for the other spot. That way you have fewer spins of the wheel and don't have to worry about getting two people from one SCSD.

If you're tinkering with the format to speed things up, you could also eliminate the option of a second spin. It wouldn't save a lot of time, but it would help keep things from dragging if you increase the number of contestants.

chris319 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 26, 2008, 02:30:46 PM »

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Let the top winner through automatically and let the other 4 spin

If you don't drop an act you'll have five people spinning the wheel. If you drop an act (One Bid + stage game) AND you drop one SS you pick up more like 8:00 - 9:00 minutes.

tpirfan28 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 26, 2008, 02:45:03 PM »

Thinking outside the box, would it be completely out of the question to completely remove the wheel and do some sort of hidden-bid One Bid game? All six players play, you're shown an item, you get ten seconds to place a hidden bid, two closest to the ARP without going over play for the Showcases. A tie between players yields another round until you get two players.

TimK2003 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:06:36 PM »

[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'204745\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 02:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'204735\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 09:21 AM\']They could have one Showcase Showdown with all 5 contestants.[/quote]

Let the top winner through automatically and let the other 4 spin it out for the other spot. That way you have fewer spins of the wheel and don't have to worry about getting two people from one SCSD.

If you're tinkering with the format to speed things up, you could also eliminate the option of a second spin. It wouldn't save a lot of time, but it would help keep things from dragging if you increase the number of contestants.
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But if you let the top winner through, you still need to give them a chance to spin the wheel once for the chance to win up to $26K.

A one-spin per person rule wouldn't be such a bad idea, but then you take the element of risk out of the contestants hands (should I spin again with 60 cents or should I try to better my score?).

clemon79 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:08:27 PM »

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'204752\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 12:06 PM\']
But if you let the top winner through, you still need to give them a chance to spin the wheel once for the chance to win up to $26K.[/quote]
Why?

TimK2003 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:23:06 PM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'204753\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 04:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'204752\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 12:06 PM\']
But if you let the top winner through, you still need to give them a chance to spin the wheel once for the chance to win up to $26K.[/quote]
Why?
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Worst case scenario:

All 5 pricing games are lost...By default, contestant "A' gets the free pass due to winning the most expensive IUFB...The other 4 players who also lost their pricing games all get a chance to spin the wheel.

Contestants "C" & "E" Hit the dollar in regular play and each hit it again for $26K each. In the non-bonus 2nd spin-off, player "E" moves on to the showcase with their bonus money.

Now out of the three contestants, which one got the short end of the stick?

clemon79 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:34:18 PM »

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'204756\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 12:23 PM\']
Now out of the three contestants, which one got the short end of the stick?[/quote]
Sure. My point is, there are plenty of examples of game shows that screw over a player like that in the name of better television.

I'm more amused by the folks who are suggesting it be dumped entirely, seeing as how it's become one of the iconic moments on the show. Holy Gawd, that would make firing Roger looks like nothing in comparison.

Kevin Prather · « **Reply #23 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:36:04 PM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'204759\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 12:34 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'204756\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 12:23 PM\']
Now out of the three contestants, which one got the short end of the stick?[/quote]
Sure. My point is, there are plenty of examples of game shows that screw over a player like that in the name of better television.

I'm more amused by the folks who are suggesting it be dumped entirely, seeing as how it's become one of the iconic moments on the show. Holy Gawd, that would make firing Roger looks like nothing in comparison.
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Just drop the showcases and make the prizes nicer. That'll free up plenty of time, and players will still win the same amount.

/Note the tongue in cheek.
//Note it...

NickS · « **Reply #24 on:** December 26, 2008, 03:40:06 PM »

[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'204719\' date=\'Dec 25 2008, 09:45 PM\']And the big downside of option C would be that TPiR would have too much time to spare. The pace would have to be slowed to a grinding halt in order to keep the show from running short. They would basically have to stretch out the show an extra 10 minutes or so to get everything to fit, since the average pricing game segment, including the One Bid, is about 4-5 minutes. Also, the quicker pricing games, like Switch?, Double Prices, Side by Side, Most Expensive, or One Right Price, would have to be drastically reduced in frequency, unless they are balanced out with several slower games.
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While all of your points hit the mark, we're still leaving out what Chris said earlier: get rid of the yuk-yuk showcases.

Another nitpick - but let's go back to Bob. You knew if you're taking too much time if he says "We've got an hour show to run here." He controlled the game. I haven't seen any proof that Drew's been able to do that. Let's go back to a Punchboard this week. The lady took fricking forever to just make the choice of higher or lower AND to punch the holes out. You could have shaved off at least a minute or so if she would have gotten with the program. There's interesting contestants, and then there are those like her that needed a cattle prod.

IMO - you can have this show on point and still get drama out of it.

tvwxman · « **Reply #25 on:** December 26, 2008, 05:35:59 PM »

keep the 6 games, the 2 wheels - drop one of the showcases . play the Aussie version of the bonus.
ta-da!

Robert Hutchinson · « **Reply #26 on:** December 26, 2008, 06:44:05 PM »

I like the idea of going to just one showcase, and having the contestants enter their bids secretly a la Jeopardy!

The benefits, both generally and for me specifically: 1) you save a couple of minutes; 2) you can (hopefully) use only the best 50% of the "funny" showcase ideas, which would be a marked improvement; 3) the Showcase is the most tedious part of the show to me and I fully endorse anything that makes it shorter; 4) you have a reasonable excuse to have the audience be quiet; 5) it's a much smoother edit if someone is taking five minutes to write down a bid; 6) you can give certain fans one of their beloved cash bonuses if a contestant is within $250, since there's no longer a second showcase.

clemon79 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2008, 06:48:59 PM »

[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'204781\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 03:44 PM\']
The benefits, both generally and for me specifically: 1) you save a couple of minutes; 2) you can (hopefully) use only the best 50% of the "funny" showcase ideas, which would be a marked improvement; 3) the Showcase is the most tedious part of the show to me and I fully endorse anything that makes it shorter; 4) you have a reasonable excuse to have the audience be quiet; 5) it's a much smoother edit if someone is taking five minutes to write down a bid; 6) you can give certain fans one of their beloved cash bonuses if a contestant is within $250, since there's no longer a second showcase.
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7) If they're both writing down a bid at the same time, crowd noise isn't really relevant since both players are getting the same information.

chris319 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 26, 2008, 06:57:50 PM »

[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'204781\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 03:44 PM\']
I like the idea of going to just one showcase, and having the contestants enter their bids secretly a la Jeopardy!

The benefits, both generally and for me specifically: 1) you save a couple of minutes; 2) you can (hopefully) use only the best 50% of the "funny" showcase ideas, which would be a marked improvement; 3) the Showcase is the most tedious part of the show to me and I fully endorse anything that makes it shorter; 4) you have a reasonable excuse to have the audience be quiet; 5) it's a much smoother edit if someone is taking five minutes to write down a bid; 6) you can give certain fans one of their beloved cash bonuses if a contestant is within $250, since there's no longer a second showcase.
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Not to mention fewer prizes to book, transport, warehouse and schlep into the studio.

Stepping back for a moment, why is it suddenly necessary to cut things out of the show? They edit every show anyway, so if it goes over, no biggie (c.f. Dawson, Richard: Family Feud).

J.R. · « **Reply #29 on:** December 26, 2008, 07:00:28 PM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'204785\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 05:53 PM\']
You make a very large and unwarranted assumption with "hate him so deeply and personally".[/quote]
Yes, that was out-of-line for me to assume that. I apologize.

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'204785\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 05:53 PM\']The guy makes $7 million per year to do at best a mediocre job of emceeing this show.[/quote]
I will agree with this. That is WAY too much money to be paying a game show rookie.

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'204785\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 05:53 PM\']His performances are uneven, he ridicules the very things he should be pimping out, and reading the tea leaves he appears to have a major role setting the show's "new direction". As cited earlier he seems to have little concept of time. So he's going to get a little flak over it.[/quote]
You make a good point, I don't totally agree with it. But I totally understand your feelings.

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'204785\' date=\'Dec 26 2008, 05:53 PM\']TPIR isn't the right vehicle for him. They need to get someone with "emcee chops" as someone else put it.[/quote]
Sadly, I agree with this.