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TimK2003

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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2009, 03:42:58 PM »
Keep in mind that one of the reasons why TV stations are double (and triple)-running many programs is due to the the 1-2 punch of the lagging economy and the fact that many stations had to spend a big chunk of change for the upcoming Digital TV switch, in the form of new antennas, and broadcast equipment.  

I'm sure you have noticed, especially over the last few months, that many TV stations are doing a LOT of cost-cutting moves, because of slow advertising sales (which pays the bills) and the necessary investments into HD & digital technology.  I have read in the trades and have seen it in some area TV markets everything from reducing on and off-air staffers (not renewing contracts or offering early retirement to older employees), reverting to one-anchor newscasts, eliminating their weekend news programming, or the big craze now in TV is sharing video between local competing TV outlets (with each station/station group doing their own edits on the raw feeds).

I have also heard of at least one TV station in the Midwest completely eliminating their sports segments from their daily newscasts except for the weekends, thus eliminating 1 or 2 full-time staffers.

So the idea of double or triple running a show each day makes sense to the station's owners at this particular time until the economy steps up again.  Hopefully this will be only a temporary setback.

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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2009, 04:29:30 PM »
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'206033\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 12:42 PM\']
So the idea of double or triple running a show each day makes sense to the station's owners at this particular time until the economy steps up again.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure anyone here with a clue understands that. However, from the viewer's standpoint, that doesn't make it suck any less. The viewer does not give two tin shiats about station finances.
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2009, 04:44:46 PM »
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'206033\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 03:42 PM\']
  Hopefully this will be only a temporary setback.
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Oh, you were doing 'so' well until that statement.

Anyone who has the gumshoe to think that this is a temp setback is kidding themselves. Like putting a variety show 5 nites a week at 10pm, this is just another step for networks and affils to cut costs on programming. Once they get a taste of the money they don't have to spend becasue they took a semi-successful show during a daypart that no one is watching anymore, and triple ran it....well, they'll never go back.

At least this idea is being floated with half hour shows...wait till you see WPIX or KTLA triple pump Springer and Maury. 2 shows, 25 percent of your schedule knocked out, just. like. that.

I give 'that' a year until it happens, tops.
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2009, 05:05:47 PM »
Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury and double-pumped Springer for years.
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2009, 05:17:39 PM »
[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'206039\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:05 PM\']
Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury[/quote]...and you are NOT the father...

Here in central Iowa, we have one station running Judge Joe Brown on the weekends.  First time I had seen that.
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2009, 06:16:18 PM »
Double Runs of Talk- In LA- FYI

Maury- KTLA- 2 Times
Jerry- KTLA- 2 Times
Tyra- KTTV- 2 Times
TMZ- KTTV- 4 Times!!! (4:30AM, 10:30AM, 6:30PM, 11:30PM)
Dr. Phil- KCBS/KCAL (One hour each)

Just ones I noticed. I didn't realize TMZ was four times- Wow...

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2009, 06:19:54 PM »
[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'206039\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:05 PM\']
Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury and double-pumped Springer for years.
[/quote]I think I remember a run of Maury and Springer alternating in the early afternoon..two of each.  This was back in '06, though.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'206042\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:17 PM\']
Here in central Iowa, we have one station running Judge Joe Brown on the weekends.  First time I had seen that.
[/quote]My ABC affiliate sees your Joe Brown and raises a Judge Judy.
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2009, 06:53:43 PM »
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'206037\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:44 PM\']Anyone who has the gumshoe to think that this is a temp setback is kidding themselves. Like putting a variety show 5 nites a week at 10pm, this is just another step for networks and affils to cut costs on programming. Once they get a taste of the money they don't have to spend becasue they took a semi-successful show during a daypart that no one is watching anymore, and triple ran it....well, they'll never go back.[/quote]Then neither will their viewers. At least with Jay Leno's new NBC show, you're getting fresh content. How do they expect the third airing of Laqua'neesha running offstage into to the bathroom to get people off the internet or out from in front of their video game system? At some point, it's just a false economy. You're going to need something new eventually.

The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2009, 09:35:25 PM »
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206048\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 06:53 PM\']The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/quote]
Or, you can look at it from a businessman's standpoint in which every penny you hold onto right now is sacred.  It would have been bad enough if there were just the strike(s) to worry about, but with the recession and everybody trying to eliminate costs, there is very little buffer between a station employee and the unemployment line.  So if the top brass at a station want to buy something that eventually tanks, people will be fired without a second thought.  The best thing they can do is sit on their money as best they can and run the same thing multiple times.  While it may lose advertising dollars, the damage is much less than buying a lemon of a show.

The viewer will greet with this indifference at best and at worst, go somewhere else in a diluted television landscape, which only further justifies the media outlets to not be adventurous, and so it's merely going to get worse and worse until someone is able to change the culture of TV presentation and update it for this/the next generation of viewing audience.

I feel that there will always be TV, because while computers can bring people together, they don't bring them together physically, but that's another debate.
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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2009, 10:29:49 PM »
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206048\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 03:53 PM\']
The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/quote]
This is pretty much exactly the case. Want to see how digital distribution replaces the broadcast paradigm? Keep watching. It's happening.

The only things I haven't figured how digital distribution can replace are a) news, and b) live events (sports and what-not). Once that gets sorted, the game's pretty much over.
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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2009, 11:53:09 AM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206057\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 10:29 PM\']
The only things I haven't figured how digital distribution can replace are a) news, and b) live events (sports and what-not). Once that gets sorted, the game's pretty much over.
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News is replaced, isn't it? It's CNN.com or NYTimes.com. Local news is tricky--it's being done so badly now that no one will miss it.

The thing that I wonder about is what will replace idle channel surfing. I have sitcoms on DVDs, I have "Grey's Anatomy" on the DVR, but lots of times I don't make the mental investment in watching them and just want to browse. I suppose tossing Jay Leno out there is a way to satisfy that audience. (The mindless surfer audience, said by a Letterman fan.) He'll do well for a while, the same way "Dateline NBC" did and "Deal or No Deal" does--it's the thing to watch when nothing else is on (at least, nothing else is streaming at that second).
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2009, 12:44:54 PM »
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206072\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:53 AM\']
Local news is tricky--it's being done so badly now that no one will miss it. [/quote]
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere.  Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.  

What's fundamentally changing in the broadcast world is the mentality that the program day needs to be filled up with a variety of different shows.  The most obvious example of that is prime time network television.  NBC giving 10pm to Leno is just the latest and most obvious example of how that landscape is shrinking.  Fewer original scripted series are being produced, fewer episodes are being made of them, and fewer hours are being programmed with original material.  Last week, ABC aired the return of Scrubs on Tuesday, and then reran those same two episodes the very next night.

Thing is, there's as much original scripted programming as there ever was in TV's golden age, it's just being spread out among dozens and dozens of channels.  To remain viable, broadcast networks are going to continue to produce fewer expensive scripted shows and make a much bigger deal about the ones they have, much like cable channels have been doing all along.  Our children will find the idea of a full slate of original prime time programming as novel a concept as we find the idea that series used to produce 39 new shows a season.

Even with all the problems, I think the paradigm has to change more dramatically than we can even imagine for the local broadcast stations to just stop broadcasting.  They may become shells of what they are now, but old-timers could argue that's already the case when you look at how much local programming used to be done.   To twist back to the title of the thread, I think the world of syndication in general is particularly vulnerable if stations just decide it's not worth it anymore to spend money buying shows.
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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2009, 01:07:34 PM »
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206075\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 09:44 AM\']
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere.  Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.[/quote]
QFT. During our recent snowstorm, I was taking a particularly keen interest in the live morning news, mainly to ascertain if driving in to work was feasible or insanity.
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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2009, 02:07:42 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206076\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 01:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206075\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 09:44 AM\']
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere.  Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.[/quote]
QFT. During our recent snowstorm, I was taking a particularly keen interest in the live morning news, mainly to ascertain if driving in to work was feasible or insanity.
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Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well. It's hard not to see local news getting thinner and thinner, though. It should be a vital public function, but isn't treated as one.

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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2009, 02:57:56 PM »
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206078\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:07 AM\']
Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well.[/quote]
Too well? Huh?
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It's hard not to see local news getting thinner and thinner, though. It should be a vital public function, but isn't treated as one.
I agree with Matt in that this varies widely from market to market, or indeed from station to station within a market. It all depends on how much of The Insider and Access Hollywood the show's producer watches.
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