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tpirfan28

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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2009, 03:48:26 PM »
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208234\' date=\'Feb 15 2009, 03:43 PM\']
I don't know if this is a technique which has been utilized on either the CBS or NBC/ABC version of the show, but the show could start renting prizes the same as you'd rent a prop for any other TV show or motion picture. Rather than spend $19,099 on a wine fridge and keeping it in the warehouse, simply rent it for the day.[/quote]
To enter into the record, this is at least the second time this small apartment wine fridge has appeared.  The first was in a showcase.
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2009, 05:32:11 PM »
Watching the show again on cbs.com, the trip to Dollywood included round-trip coach airfare for two to Knoxville, a rental car, 4 nights at a hotel with breakfast and lunch included, tickets to Dollywood, and two tickets to go Zorbing, which I remember from my days watching Nick GaS. From New Zealand to the Great Smoky Mountains. That added a couple hundred dollars. I still have no idea how that's $4000, though. It's $53.50 for a one-day pass for one person, according to the Dollywood site. Times two people, times four days is $428. The most expensive Zorb package I could find for the Smoky Mountains area was about $200.

I just realized something about the wine fridge. That had a generic plug like other non-fee prizes, so does that mean that the show plonked down 19 large for that Birthday Bath?
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2009, 05:50:36 PM »
My math brings it to a little more than $2,400...

-Dollywood tickets: $428
-Hotel room: assuming a room for two costs $175-200 a night, I'll guess about $900 for four nights, including the breakfast and lunch.
-Rental car: maybe $150 for an economy/midsize car
-Air fare: $800?
-Zorbing: assume it's $200

Like Joe said, I'd guess the remainder is spending dough.
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2009, 07:22:45 PM »
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208234\' date=\'Feb 15 2009, 03:43 PM\']I don't know if this is a technique which has been utilized on either the CBS or NBC/ABC version of the show, but the show could start renting prizes the same as you'd rent a prop for any other TV show or motion picture.[/quote]
I believe this has been done on occasion for Golden Road.

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'208246\' date=\'Feb 15 2009, 05:32 PM\']I just realized something about the wine fridge. That had a generic plug like other non-fee prizes, so does that mean that the show plonked down 19 large for that Birthday Bath?[/quote]
Unless they rented it, yes.

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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2009, 10:46:28 PM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208249\' date=\'Feb 15 2009, 05:50 PM\']
My math brings it to a little more than $2,400...

-Dollywood tickets: $428
-Hotel room: assuming a room for two costs $175-200 a night, I'll guess about $900 for four nights, including the breakfast and lunch.
-Rental car: maybe $150 for an economy/midsize car
-Air fare: $800?
-Zorbing: assume it's $200

Like Joe said, I'd guess the remainder is spending dough.[/quote]
But...but...but...but...but....

Unless they SAY they're including "spending dough", how on earth are you supposed to bid on the prize?  It would be like bidding on a car, but not being told that they were including gas for a year.

(Plus, again, the mother of all season passes to Dollywood only costs $159, so it's ludicrous to price the item based on the day rate, and I can promise you that the weekly rates at the nicest hotels in Pigeon Forge don't run any more than $500.  This one just doesn't make any sense at all.)
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« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2009, 11:00:09 PM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208249\' date=\'Feb 15 2009, 02:50 PM\']-Zorbing: assume it's $200
[/quote]I just looked this up; the most expensive option I could find was $100, and the rest were between $50 and $90.

Either there's something included that we didn't pick up on, or they're cheating.
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2009, 12:34:27 AM »
The only two things that weren't explicitly spelled out were the carrier of the flight and the name of the hotel. I went on to Travelocity and the highest price I saw for airfare from LA to Knoxville was $939 per person on Delta. I'm assuming that's the rate for the truly desperate and the permanently daft, but they might have used that. As for the hotel, I think they might have chosen a log cabin resort in Pigeon Forge since Rich's copy only mentioned a "four-night stay". That would explain why two meals were included, which is unusual. Some of those resorts can get up to $200/night. Still...it's only 4 nights rather than the more usual 6.

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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2009, 07:31:20 AM »
Did they ever mention the class of airfare?  A search on AA reveals a round trip flight first class for $1,549 (First Flexible) or an Economy Flexible flight at about $1250.
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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2009, 10:11:37 AM »
Okay, I want to jump back a day or so and pick up on the PiR budget question. Back in the day, each 30 second spot was for a product, such as laundry detergent, carpet cleaner, etc.. Of course, this was 30 years ago when the wife was supposed to be at home doing the chores and watching TV. Nowadays the majority of their ad revenue is Li'l Rascal Scooters and Wilford's Beetis monitors. These are usually 60-120 second spots. Obviously these companies aren't paying a fortune for multiple long running spots. So my question...Where does TPiR come up w/ the budget for the show? Start w/ Drew's salary, then work down the ladder, then include actual daily production costs. I'm asking this as someone who doesn't know all the inner workings in the game show trade, so maybe I'm missing something. Just looks like a very tight budget to be working w/ these days.

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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2009, 11:18:14 AM »
Hopefully, the profits from American Idol can offset any budget concerns at Price.
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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'208270\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 07:31 AM\']
Did they ever mention the class of airfare?
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2009, 03:26:22 PM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208276\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 11:18 AM\']
Hopefully, the profits from American Idol can offset any budget concerns at Price.[/quote]
Aren't these two essentially independent?
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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2009, 03:33:48 PM »
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'208281\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 03:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208276\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 11:18 AM\']
Hopefully, the profits from American Idol can offset any budget concerns at Price.[/quote]
Aren't these two essentially independent?
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Aren't these two produced by the same company, therefore bringing in money to said company?
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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2009, 04:13:12 PM »
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'208282\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 03:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'208281\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 03:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208276\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 11:18 AM\']
Hopefully, the profits from American Idol can offset any budget concerns at Price.[/quote]
Aren't these two essentially independent?
[/quote]
Aren't these two produced by the same company, therefore bringing in money to said company?
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I was under the impression that CBS foots the bill for Price, which would make AI's success moot (at least in terms of Price's budget)
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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2009, 06:38:54 PM »
[quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'208273\' date=\'Feb 16 2009, 07:11 AM\']
Okay, I want to jump back a day or so and pick up on the PiR budget question. Back in the day, each 30 second spot was for a product, such as laundry detergent, carpet cleaner, etc.. Of course, this was 30 years ago when the wife was supposed to be at home doing the chores and watching TV. Nowadays the majority of their ad revenue is Li'l Rascal Scooters and Wilford's Beetis monitors. These are usually 60-120 second spots. Obviously these companies aren't paying a fortune for multiple long running spots. So my question...Where does TPiR come up w/ the budget for the show? Start w/ Drew's salary, then work down the ladder, then include actual daily production costs. I'm asking this as someone who doesn't know all the inner workings in the game show trade, so maybe I'm missing something. Just looks like a very tight budget to be working w/ these days.
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The last time we counted them up there were thirty 30-second avails in TPIR. The last figures I heard from our friend the Perfesser were that they were going for $8,000 to $10,000 each. That's $240,000 per day, assuming the show is sold out. Let's be conservative and cut the rate and allow for decreased ratings and less than 100% sales. Let's say it's half, or $120,000 per day. That's $600,000 per week, or $30,000,000 per year in round numbers. Subtract $8,000,000 for Drew's salary. Let's make an educated guess that the show costs $250,000 per week to produce exclusive of prizes, BUT, they only produce (or are budgeted to produce) 39 weeks per year, so let's say production costs come to $10,000,000 per year. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the weekly prize budget? That's going to depend on how many prizes are won and actually kept by contestants. Shall we say $100,000 per week? That's $5,000,000 per year in round numbers. So now we're looking at, per year:

Advertising revenue: $30,000,000

Drew's salary: $8,000,000

Production costs (39 weeks, exclusive of prizes): $10,000,000

Prizes: $5,000,000

That leaves $7,000,000 per year for Fremantle and CBS to divide, and that's assuming only 50% of the avails are sold. If we use more optimistic sales of 75% of avails being sold, that's $45 million per year in sales:

Advertising revenue: $45,000,000

Drew's salary: $8,000,000

Production costs (39 weeks, exclusive of prizes): $10,000,000

Prizes: $5,000,000

That's $15,000,000 per year more for Fremantle and CBS to divide; however, I'm guessing the Fremantle license fee is fixed, so the bulk of the money for increased ad sales would go to CBS.

You can't just look at ratings, shares and demos to determine the success of a show. There is a whole economic landscape you have to look at dealing with how much ad revenue comes in and how much it costs to produce the show.

There is a heapin' helpin' of guesswork in these figures, too, as everyone involved is tight-lipped about the actual numbers.

By way of reference, take an unspectacular game show from the days of old, say Body Language. An educated guess is that Tom Kennedy was making around $3,000 to $5,000 per week, or $156,000 to $260,000 per year, and he was taping 52 weeks per year to Drew's 39. This is why I say Drew is way, way, beyond the pale overpaid. Adjusting for inflation, $1,500,000 to $2,000,000 per year would be a more realistic salary for that position, considering it is a one-hour show.
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