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CarShark · « **Reply #60 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:06:01 PM »

Looking at tpirsummaries.8m.com, a season during Barker's tenure ranged from 185 episodes (37 weeks worth) in the late 80s-early 90s to 175 (35 weeks) towards the end. In Drew's first season, 180 episodes (38 weeks) were produced.

chris319 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 20, 2009, 07:40:25 PM »

I'm sticking with 39 weeks. Episodes do get preempted from time to time.

$8,000,000 Drew's salary

$10,000,000 Other production costs

$10,000,000 Prizes

Total: $28,000,000

Let's round it up to $30,000,000. Now let's pull a figure out of thin air and say Fremantle makes a $15,000,000 annual profit on all of this, for a total of $45,000,000. So if my math is anywhere close, TPIR comes in for 1/2 or less of DOOL's $90,000,000.

What I have calculated is not exactly a license fee, it is a guesstimate of what it costs to do the show including talent, prizes, above and below the line production, and profit for the production company.

Jimmy Owen · « **Reply #62 on:** February 20, 2009, 08:21:09 PM »

Maybe the gravy train is slowing down. DOOL recently "retired" Deidre Hall and Drake Hogestyn due to budget cuts. She had been on the show since 1976 and he since 1984. NBC renewed the show for at least 18 months more, but after that, who knows?

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #63 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:54:40 AM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208522\' date=\'Feb 20 2009, 07:40 PM\']I'm sticking with 39 weeks. Episodes do get preempted from time to time.[/quote]
Or I could just post up the list I made for myself a while back of how many shows they did in every season.

Season 1: 254 – 254
Season 2: 229 – 483
Season 3: 253 – 736
Season 4: 214 – 950
Season 5: 213 – 1,163
Season 6: 228 – 1,391
Season 7: 209 – 1,600
Season 8: 191 – 1,791
Season 9: 205 – 1,996
Season 10: 196 – 2,192
Season 11: 208 – 2,400
Season 12: 197 – 2,597
Season 13: 195 – 2,792
Season 14: 186 – 2,978
Season 15: 191 – 3,169
Season 16: 186 – 3,355
Season 17: 184 – 3,539
Season 18: 177 – 3,716
Season 19: 186 – 3,902
Season 20: 178 – 4,080
Season 21: 177 – 4,257
Season 22: 185 – 4,442
Season 23: 183 – 4,625
Season 24: 183 – 4,808
Season 25: 185 – 4,993
Season 26: 184 – 5,177
Season 27: 175 – 5,352
Season 28: 165 – 5,517
Season 29: 164 – 5,681
Season 30: 175 – 5,856
Season 31: 175 – 6,031
Season 32: 175 – 6,206
Season 33: 175 – 6,381
Season 34: 175 – 6,556
Season 35: 175 – 6,731
Season 36: 190 – 6,921

chris319 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:24:16 AM »

Any unaired episodes?

Don Howard · « **Reply #65 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:01:53 PM »

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208525\' date=\'Feb 20 2009, 08:21 PM\']
Maybe the gravy train is slowing down. DOOL recently "retired" Deidre Hall and Drake Hogestyn due to budget cuts. She had been on the show since 1976 and he since 1984. NBC renewed the show for at least 18 months more, but after that, who knows?
[/quote]
Anal retentive nit-picking alert: Drake began with the show in 1986. But, yes, still a long time in the revolving door that is the industry.
As a viewer of the hourglass sudser since the mid-1970s, I continue to hold out hope for its fate, but the program is a faded shadow of its former self as far as quality of content.

CarShark · « **Reply #66 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:14:51 PM »

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'208546\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 03:54 AM\']Season 36: 190 – 6,921
[/quote]Which means we've blown past Episode 7000. How far off are they this time?

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #67 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:46:12 PM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208550\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 04:24 AM\']Any unaired episodes?[/quote]
There's three episodes not included in the list that were intentionally not aired and which had new shows taped specifically to replace them. All episodes which were only "unaired" in the sense that they were pre-empted are in there.

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'208590\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 07:14 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'208546\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 03:54 AM\']Season 36: 190 – 6,921[/quote]Which means we've blown past Episode 7000. How far off are they this time?[/quote]
As far as I know, it's still the same as it was five years ago -- they've done 145 more shows than they think they have.

Episode 7,000 was January 19.

chris319 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 22, 2009, 04:04:51 AM »

Quote

There's three episodes not included in the list that were intentionally not aired and which had new shows taped specifically to replace them.

So your list is shy by three. Were the discarded shows that bad?

When estimating the cost of doing the show, it doesn't matter whether or not a show aired. It still cost over $50,000 to tape the show. If they discarded three shows and taped three replacements at $50,000 per ep, that's an additional $150,000 they have to account for.

Why does the number of episodes jump around from year to year? Is this the subject of negotiations with CBS each renewal?

WRT NBC: they could save a heap of money by cancelling DOOL and plugging MSNBC into the network for an hour. It's coming to that.

aaron sica · « **Reply #69 on:** February 22, 2009, 11:20:50 AM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208609\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 04:04 AM\']
WRT NBC: they could save a heap of money by cancelling DOOL and plugging MSNBC into the network for an hour. It's coming to that.
[/quote]

Why not just give that hour back to the affiliates?

tpirfan28 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 22, 2009, 11:23:55 AM »

[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'208612\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 11:20 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208609\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 04:04 AM\']
WRT NBC: they could save a heap of money by cancelling DOOL and plugging MSNBC into the network for an hour. It's coming to that.
[/quote]

Why not just give that hour back to the affiliates?
[/quote]
They (NBC) can still sell the commercial time, therefore make money? That would be my guess.

/CNBC would be a better fit, IMO.

Steve Gavazzi · « **Reply #71 on:** February 22, 2009, 06:51:34 PM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208609\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 04:04 AM\']So your list is shy by three. Were the discarded shows that bad?

When estimating the cost of doing the show, it doesn't matter whether or not a show aired. It still cost over $50,000 to tape the show. If they discarded three shows and taped three replacements at $50,000 per ep, that's an additional $150,000 they have to account for.[/quote]
Fair enough. For the stuff I do, it's always made more sense to me to just say there are, for instance, two episode threes, but yeah, when you're dealing with the budget, it'd be important.

For what it's worth, the third show wasn't aired because they discovered that one of the contestants was living with one of the cameramen, the third-last show of Season 28 wasn't aired because Contestants' Row got shuffled around and nobody noticed it, and there's an unaired show early in Season 14 that I've never found an explanation for.

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208609\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 04:04 AM\']Why does the number of episodes jump around from year to year? Is this the subject of negotiations with CBS each renewal?[/quote]
Damned if I know. Season 28 probably has something to do with Bob's surgery that year that shut down taping for six weeks, and 29 had some weird circumstance that the first 10 episodes (which ended up being 11 because of that thing I mentioned above) taped under its contract are officially the end of 28, but beyond those, your guess is as good as mine.

chris319 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 22, 2009, 09:10:40 PM »

It looks like they were contracted for 175 shows per year starting in 1998, which is the same year they went to a four-day tape week so Barker would only have to do one show per day on Tue, Wed and Thu. They lost 10 shows in 1999 due to Bob's surgery and 10 shows in 2000 due to that "weird circumstance".

Starting with the season beginning September 2001 they've taped a consistent 175 shows per year until 2007 when Drew arrived and it went up to 190 (38 weeks). Maybe they were contracted for 39 weeks but lost a week due to Drew getting his arm stuck in the turntable?

From 1993 to 1997 it looks like they were doing 185 shows per year.

Here is your chart with years added, based on an early September start:

1972 Season 1: 254 – 254
1973 Season 2: 229 – 483
1974 Season 3: 253 – 736
1975 Season 4: 214 – 950
1976 Season 5: 213 – 1,163
1977 Season 6: 228 – 1,391
1978 Season 7: 209 – 1,600
1979 Season 8: 191 – 1,791
1980 Season 9: 205 – 1,996
1981 Season 10: 196 – 2,192
1982 Season 11: 208 – 2,400
1983 Season 12: 197 – 2,597
1984 Season 13: 195 – 2,792
1985 Season 14: 186 – 2,978
1986 Season 15: 191 – 3,169
1987 Season 16: 186 – 3,355
1988 Season 17: 184 – 3,539
1989 Season 18: 177 – 3,716
1990 Season 19: 186 – 3,902
1991 Season 20: 178 – 4,080
1992 Season 21: 177 – 4,257
1993 Season 22: 185 – 4,442
1994 Season 23: 183 – 4,625
1995 Season 24: 183 – 4,808
1996 Season 25: 185 – 4,993
1997 Season 26: 184 – 5,177
1998 Season 27: 175 – 5,352
1999 Season 28: 165 – 5,517
2000 Season 29: 164 – 5,681
2001 Season 30: 175 – 5,856
2002 Season 31: 175 – 6,031
2003 Season 32: 175 – 6,206
2004 Season 33: 175 – 6,381
2005 Season 34: 175 – 6,556
2006 Season 35: 175 – 6,731
2007 Season 36: 190 – 6,921

NickS · « **Reply #73 on:** February 22, 2009, 09:29:45 PM »

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208488\' date=\'Feb 20 2009, 01:35 AM\']

What do we guess TPIR's prize budget is? $5,000,000 divided by 39 weeks comes to around $128,000 per week. Does that sound right?

- Both shows are one hour in length.

- TPIR has less desirable demos.

- TPIR is cheaper to produce: six shows in three days, smaller cast, skeletal writing staff.
[/quote]

DOOL does go originals during the whole year (sans SRs and holidays, but still), so while it doesn't break the bank for Price, it's still a quarter of the year that Price is in reruns.

MizzouRah! · « **Reply #74 on:** February 22, 2009, 10:57:18 PM »

[quote name='Steve Gavazzi' date='Feb 22 2009, 07:51 PM' post='208627']
[quote name='chris319' post='208609' date='Feb 22 2009, 04:04 AM']So your list is shy by three. Were the discarded shows that bad?

For what it's worth, the third show wasn't aired because they discovered that one of the contestants was living with one of the cameramen, the third-last show of Season 28 wasn't aired because Contestants' Row got shuffled around and nobody noticed it, and there's an unaired show early in Season 14 that I've never found an explanation for.

Over the last few years it's been much publicized that if a show doesn't air, prizes are usually not awarded. So, does anyone know if the contestants/winners got their prizes from the unaired TPiR eps? It's not like they could be asked back to play again on a future episode.