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« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2009, 03:55:21 PM »
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209287\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 07:34 PM\']
Yeah, but only for round three.
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Right I meant just the last three questions, not the entire round and fame game.

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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2009, 04:20:49 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'209352\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 03:49 PM\']
By definition, that number is "none."[/quote]Read this, specifically the section on Wong.
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« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2009, 05:12:01 PM »
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'209349\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 03:24 PM\']
On Cullen's Pyramid, the contestant was with the same celeb for both games, so if you got partnered with Lawford or Shatner, too bad. The 80s version fixed this. But I remember on one Cullen $25K, Lawford won both games for his contestant. Debralee Scott had just literally gotten in from the airport and was a little "loopy" for lack of a better term.
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I defer to your superior recollection - I must have conflated the earlier and later versions.

Someone else made a point about how "Pyramid" seemed to go out of its way to avoid having "too many men" in the mix. Having a male and a female celebrity plus two female contestants was fine, but they really seemed to go out of their way to avoid having more than two men (excluding the host) on the stage. A blatant example of this was the week William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy were the celebs, and Dick Clark announced a brand new rule out of nowhere, to wit, that all of the contestants would be women, thereby disappointing a lot of male "Star Trek" nerds, er, fans.

It was a funny pairing, because on the whole, Nimoy was a better player than Shatner. But I recall on one occasion, Nimoy bombed at the pyramid, and Shatner made a big show of coming over to offer his condolences. (Wonder if any of those episodes survive ...)

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« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2009, 05:52:09 PM »
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Someone else made a point about how "Pyramid" seemed to go out of its way to avoid having "too many men" in the mix. Having a male and a female celebrity plus two female contestants was fine, but they really seemed to go out of their way to avoid having more than two men (excluding the host) on the stage. A blatant example of this was the week William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy were the celebs, and Dick Clark announced a brand new rule out of nowhere, to wit, that all of the contestants would be women, thereby disappointing a lot of male "Star Trek" nerds, er, fans.

It was a funny pairing, because on the whole, Nimoy was a better player than Shatner. But I recall on one occasion, Nimoy bombed at the pyramid, and Shatner made a big show of coming over to offer his condolences. (Wonder if any of those episodes survive ...)


There were about four or five times where they had two men celebrities - and every time all the contestants were women.  IIRC, I think one of the times the champ from the previous Friday was a man, but they asked him to come back the following week rather than that week, to avoid having more than two males playing at the same time.  I think it was only the very first time they did it that Dick made a point of announcing that all of the contestants would be women.  Why...who knows...

The Shatner-Nimoy week from Sept '77 exists in collector's circles...I think they were recorded from a station on the west coast, because the announcer at the end states it will be changing times the following week, and it didn't do that in the Eastern time zone.
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« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2009, 06:31:37 PM »
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'209357\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 05:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'209349\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 03:24 PM\']
On Cullen's Pyramid, the contestant was with the same celeb for both games, so if you got partnered with Lawford or Shatner, too bad. The 80s version fixed this. But I remember on one Cullen $25K, Lawford won both games for his contestant. Debralee Scott had just literally gotten in from the airport and was a little "loopy" for lack of a better term.[/quote]
I defer to your superior recollection - I must have conflated the earlier and later versions.[/quote]
Unwilling to defer to mere recollections, I went back and looked at the episodes in my collection.  Sure enough, they did not change partners in midstream.
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« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2009, 07:29:26 PM »
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'209354\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 01:20 PM\']
The same is done with card counters.  Neither is illegal.[/quote]
We're apparently working from two different definitions of "illegal."

Will it get you charged with a crime? No, of course not. (Although if you're running a con game and using a mechanic as part of the con, it might, but the charge would be "conspiracy to defraud someone out of money" or some such, the act of cheating in and of itself is not the offense.) Will a casino chuck you out on yer arse if they catch you doing it? Damned skippy.
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« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2009, 09:00:15 PM »
Going back to mere recollection, it seemed like during the early-run episodes of New $25K, Clark would drive home that a contestant that had a bad first round got to try again with the other celeb. A couple of times he said out loud that he couldn't believe the show lasted as long as it did with the One-and-Done format.

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« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2009, 09:15:35 PM »
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'209385\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 09:00 PM\']
Going back to mere recollection, it seemed like during the early-run episodes of New $25K, Clark would drive home that a contestant that had a bad first round got to try again with the other celeb. A couple of times he said out loud that he couldn't believe the show lasted as long as it did with the One-and-Done format.
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I remember that as well. He frequently mentioned the advantage of the 80s version was getting a second chance with the second celeb, and that in the NYC version, if you lost, that was it.
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« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2009, 10:27:05 PM »
The only reason I can fathom for never having more than 50% of the people playing the game be male would be some sort of edict, internal or external, that housewives wanted to see other women on game shows.

Also, watch a random episode of Wheel of Fortune from the last decade or so (not including when celebs, families, etc. are on) and you will see one male and two female contestants 99% of the time.
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« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2009, 03:59:09 PM »
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'209364\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 05:52 PM\']
There were about four or five times where they had two men celebrities - and every time all the contestants were women.  IIRC, I think one of the times the champ from the previous Friday was a man, but they asked him to come back the following week rather than that week, to avoid having more than two males playing at the same time.  I think it was only the very first time they did it that Dick made a point of announcing that all of the contestants would be women.  Why...who knows...  [/quote]

Having gone to see the show fairly often, three other weeks feauturing two male celebs on $20K Pyramid were:

Sal Viscuso vs. Billy Crystal
Tony Randall vs. Jack Klugman
Tony Randall vs. Dick Cavett - the one week Clark was afraid they'd do - and they did
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« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2009, 05:33:30 PM »
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Also, watch a random episode of Wheel of Fortune from the last decade or so (not including when celebs, families, etc. are on) and you will see one male and two female contestants 99% of the time.

If housewives want to see other women on game shows, you'd figure that in Prime Access the audience would be close to 50-50 and that they would shoot for an even number of men and women, rather than two females most of the time.  But I guess Jeopardy makes up for it - most of the shows seem to have two males.
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« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2009, 08:19:25 PM »
So many flaws that I'd like to write about.  Someone mentioned it before, with the Joker's Wild, if the challenger spun 3 jokers and answered the question, the game ended right then and there.  The champion was not given the chance to spin to try to do the same thing.  I always felt that was unfair, although kudos for allowing the newcomer to spin first at least.

Tic Tac Dough w/those annoying red categories.  I preferred when Wink was at the helm, you needed $1,000 or more or TIC & TAC before uncovering the dragon, and the only red category was the Bonus Category I believe, that doubled the pot when chosen.  The red categories, too many for me, ruined the flow of the game.  I liked if a player missed, that gave the other player a slight advantage at times, not picking a red box to get 3 in a row in one turn essentially.

Way back in the day, when Chuck hosted Wheel of Fortune, the wheel had a "Buy a Vowel" space on it.  I believe if a player landed on it, but had less than $250, they lost their turn.  If they had $250 or more, they were forced to buy a vowel.  I wonder if someone landed on it when all the vowels were already revealed?  That would have probably caused them to lose their turn.  Subsequently, that space was ditched very fast!

When watching my Price is Right DVD set, seeing the one gentleman try to cheat to spin .40 after spinning .60 in the Showcase Showdown, led to the implementation of the one complete revolution rule.  

Lucky Seven had a flaw, back when zeros (or is it zeroes?) were used in the car price.  Spelling Bee to me is flawed because you get 2 free picks, and could in theory win the car without getting any pricing questions correct.  Pass the Buck you can get nothing right on the pricing portion yet still win the game.  Let 'Em Roll also allows the chance (slim though it may be) to win the car without getting any pricing questions right, same holds true for Hole in One, which is why I have such disdain for that game.  Stack the Deck theoretically also has this possibility, but at least w/that game, there's some challenge to it, getting all 5 digits right and in the right order too.  There are many flaws to many pricing games, but I dont' want to have a 30,000 mile long post.

Password Plus' end game had a flaw.  An illegal clue lowered the $5,000 by $1,000, so in theory, with 3 seconds left, the giver could just say the word, and allow the civilian to win $4,000 instead of just a mere $900.  Super Password rectified this issue quite nicely I'd say.

My $0.02 on the whole High Rollers 1 left thing...the one thing I seem to remember happening once, I could be mistaken, and I think it was during Wink's tenure, a player had a 1 and 9 remaining in the big Numbers, and had an insurance marker.  The player rolled the 9, and was forced to remove it and win only $800.  To me, the player should have been given the option to use that marker, but the rule was "if it's a bad roll you have to use it", and 9 was a good roll, but unfortunately it yielded the 1 being left to stand alone.

Catch 21's flaw is the point system.  If a player with say 0 or 100 points busts in round 2, and the other 2 players have 200 points or more each, the end of that round is somewhat anti-climactic.

I definitely want to revisit this topic, there are so many more things I'd love to flesh out!

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« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2009, 09:07:32 PM »
[quote name=\'wdm1219inpenna\' post=\'210592\' date=\'Mar 17 2009, 05:19 PM\']I definitely want to revisit this topic, there are so many more things I'd love to flesh out![/quote]Most of these aren't flaws, they're just annoying. There's a difference.
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« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2009, 09:12:01 PM »
OK, regarding this whole "leaving the 1 on the board" scenario (yet again, I know.  I apologize), I could've sworn that in the Big Numbers, if you left the 1 up there, it was worth $1,000 to you, not $800 like everyone else is saying.  Does my memory suck that bad or was this the case?

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« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2009, 09:13:28 PM »
[quote name=\'wdm1219inpenna\' post=\'210592\' date=\'Mar 17 2009, 07:19 PM\']
Someone mentioned it before, with the Joker's Wild, if the challenger spun 3 jokers and answered the question, the game ended right then and there.  The champion was not given the chance to spin to try to do the same thing.  I always felt that was unfair, although kudos for allowing the newcomer to spin first at least.
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How is that a flaw? Three jokers = automatic win with correct answer. Considering how often that happened...
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