Syndie Ratings (Nov. '86)

[mmb5]

In finding that all elusive Gene Rayburn hosting MG '87 picture, I stumbled upon the syndicated ratings for Nov. 1986.  I'm listing game shows only, they (Broadcasting) only listed the top 40 overall shows:

1. Wheel of Fortune 19.3 rating/99.6 clearance
2. Jeopardy 12.3/98.4
4. Newlywed Game 8.9/96.5
14. Hollywood Squares 7.2/86.1
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
30. $100,000 Pyramid 5.2/40.4
33. Dating Game 5.1/84.1

Not making the survey:
$1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime
You Write the Songs
Dream Girl USA
Crosswits


I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid and Card Sharks was so poor.

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid.....was so poor.
[/quote]
Was WOR the only channel showing it at 7pm at this point? I do know that partway through the 1985-86 season, instead of "tonight's special guests" it became "today's special guests" in Jack/Johnny/every other announcer's introduction of the celebrities.

[tvwxman]

[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'209093\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid.....was so poor.
[/quote]
Was WOR the only channel showing it at 7pm at this point? I do know that partway through the 1985-86 season, instead of "tonight's special guests" it became "today's special guests" in Jack/Johnny/every other announcer's introduction of the celebrities.
[/quote]
I always thought the 'tonight' thing was because, as often was the case, a nighttime strip syndie version of show currently running on daytime strip, had certain clearance guidelines - in that it could not air during certain dayparts, so it wouldn't compete against the network version.

Regards to clearance, syndie card sharks doesn't surprise me, but pyramid does a bit. But one thing is for sure...even "Dating Game"'s ratings at a 5.1? What show today wouldn't kill for a number like that!

[calliaume]

[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209097\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid.....was so poor.
[/quote]
I always thought the 'tonight' thing was because, as often was the case, a nighttime strip syndie version of show currently running on daytime strip, had certain clearance guidelines - in that it could not air during certain dayparts, so it wouldn't compete against the network version.
[/quote]
Except for Wheel, none of the top 4 had to worry about a network counterpart, so they could go anywhere on the schedule.

I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.

[aaron sica]

[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209100\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:03 PM\']
I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
[/quote]

With the possible exception of the NYC market......Wheel was still on WCBS and wouldn't make it to WABC until 1990.

[The Pyramids]

[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:23 PM\']
 

I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid was so poor.
[/quote]


Now the show not airing here in St. Louis does seem that unusual in hindsight.

[bandit_bobby]

Just wondering, was "Strike it Rich" even on the list?

[Chelsea Thrasher]

[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
[/quote]

Since you said syndicated, this listing would be for the one-and-done Rafferty version. What in the hell led from the show going from top 20 in the syndicated ratings to cancelled between November and May?

[JIANORAN]

[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'209140\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 07:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
[/quote]

Since you said syndicated, this listing would be for the one-and-done Rafferty version. What in the hell led from the show going from top 20 in the syndicated ratings to cancelled between November and May?
[/quote]

4 years ago before i was born, Card Sharks was carried on ABC7 in San Francisco, as for Los Angeles it's Carried on KNBC Channel 4 which also carried the Jim Perry run from 1978 to 1982.

[NickS]

[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209100\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:03 PM\']
I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
[/quote]

Except for good ol' Chicago, as Wheel was on WLS at 6:30, Newlywed was on WMAQ at 6:30 and Squares, IIRC, was on WPWR.

[Jimmy Owen]

[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'209140\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 07:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
[/quote]

Since you said syndicated, this listing would be for the one-and-done Rafferty version. What in the hell led from the show going from top 20 in the syndicated ratings to cancelled between November and May?
[/quote]


WABC NY moved it out of early fringe to the wee hours to make room for Oprah...and the rest is history.

[tvwxman]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'209145\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 07:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'209140\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 07:15 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209090\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:23 PM\']
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
[/quote]

Since you said syndicated, this listing would be for the one-and-done Rafferty version. What in the hell led from the show going from top 20 in the syndicated ratings to cancelled between November and May?
[/quote]


WABC NY moved it out of early fringe to the wee hours to make room for Oprah...and the rest is history.
[/quote]
Exactly. Clearances, or lack thereof.

[mmb5]

[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'209138\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 07:10 PM\']
Just wondering, was "Strike it Rich" even on the list?
[/quote]
Oops, sorry, forgot about that one.  Wasn't on the list.


--Mike

[GameShowFan]

[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209100\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:03 PM\']
I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
[/quote]
Certainly not in Los Angeles. Wheel, Jeopardy! and Newlywed were all on KCOP. Pyramid and Hollywood Squares were paired with $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime on KHJ (now KCAL). The following season, High Rollers was added on KHJ to form a 2-hour prime access/prime time block.

I think the last game KNBC had any luck with was the original syndie Feud. They got stuck with Rafferty CS and Doug Davidson's TPIR, and those were the ones they showed while the majority of people were awake!

'Brian

[calliaume]

[quote name=\'GameShowFan\' post=\'209215\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209100\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:03 PM\']
I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
[/quote]
Certainly not in Los Angeles. Wheel, Jeopardy! and Newlywed were all on KCOP. Pyramid and Hollywood Squares were paired with $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime on KHJ (now KCAL). The following season, High Rollers was added on KHJ to form a 2-hour prime access/prime time block.
[/quote]
I stand corrected.  I was under the impression Newlywed had gone to the NBC O&Os starting in 1985, and that Wheel and Hollywood Squares had struck similar deals.  It was a big kerfluffle in New York when Entertainment Tonight, which had aired on WABC at 7:30 for years, was moved to make room for Squares (and when ABC World News Tonight moved to 6:30 to make room for the 7:00 airing of Jeopardy).