Author Topic: Syndie Ratings (Nov. '86) (Read 10010 times)

GameShowFan · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2009, 12:35:31 PM »

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I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
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Certainly not in Los Angeles. Wheel, Jeopardy! and Newlywed were all on KCOP. Pyramid and Hollywood Squares were paired with $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime on KHJ (now KCAL). The following season, High Rollers was added on KHJ to form a 2-hour prime access/prime time block.
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I stand corrected. I was under the impression Newlywed had gone to the NBC O&Os starting in 1985, and that Wheel and Hollywood Squares had struck similar deals. It was a big kerfluffle in New York when Entertainment Tonight, which had aired on WABC at 7:30 for years, was moved to make room for Squares (and when ABC World News Tonight moved to 6:30 to make room for the 7:00 airing of Jeopardy).
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LA was always oddball. KCBS had Jeopardy! for the first six weeks, canceled it, and didn't get it back until WoF/J! moved to the CBS O&Os around 1989, when WoF moved to CBS (studio and network).

KNBC carried the original syndie Feud, but little else. (They got burned by Rafferty CS and Davidson TPIR.) IIRC, KABC had syndie Match Game, and then did not have another game until WoF/J! moved to the ABC O&Os (1995?).

Curiously, the O&O LA stations carried very few games in general, instead focusing on their own local shows in prime access. (Who here remembers 2 On The Town and Eye On L.A.?)

'Brian

PYLdude · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:37:16 PM »

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LA was always oddball. KCBS had Jeopardy! for the first six weeks, canceled it, and didn't get it back until WoF/J! moved to the CBS O&Os around 1989, when WoF moved to CBS (studio and network).
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I gotta call shenanigans on that because J! has always aired on a non-CBS O&O in my area and Wheel moved from one in '89.

Unless I'm missing something.

trainman · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:53:20 PM »

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'209245\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 01:37 PM\']I gotta call shenanigans on that because J! has always aired on a non-CBS O&O in my area and Wheel moved from one in '89.

Unless I'm missing something.
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Yeah, I'm not sure there was ever a deal involving the entire CBS O&O group -- it may well have been WCBS and KCBS only. In addition to being on WPVI in Philly, Wheel and J! were ensconced on WLS in Chicago by at least 1990.

Ian Wallis · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:57:34 PM »

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1. Wheel of Fortune 19.3 rating/99.6 clearance
2. Jeopardy 12.3/98.4
4. Newlywed Game 8.9/96.5
14. Hollywood Squares 7.2/86.1
18. Card Sharks 6.6/35.0
30. $100,000 Pyramid 5.2/40.4
33. Dating Game 5.1/84.1

I'm surprised by the big difference in the ratings/clearances for Newlywed Game vs Dating Game. In many markets they were paired up with each other, but in each syndicated version Newlywed seemed to do far better. Although I've never actually seen the ratings, I've read here and there that they were closer to each other while on the network.

For the record, I think I always preferred Dating Game just a bit over Newlywed Game.

Jimmy Owen · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2009, 05:03:37 PM »

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LA was always oddball. KCBS had Jeopardy! for the first six weeks, canceled it, and didn't get it back until WoF/J! moved to the CBS O&Os around 1989, when WoF moved to CBS (studio and network).

KNBC carried the original syndie Feud, but little else. (They got burned by Rafferty CS and Davidson TPIR.) IIRC, KABC had syndie Match Game, and then did not have another game until WoF/J! moved to the ABC O&Os (1995?).

Curiously, the O&O LA stations carried very few games in general, instead focusing on their own local shows in prime access. (Who here remembers 2 On The Town and Eye On L.A.?)

'Brian
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KABC had MGPM, but KNBC and later KHJ had the strip. Source: TV Guide (the ones I think I bought from you on ebay, Brian)

GameShowFan · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2009, 07:22:17 PM »

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LA was always oddball. KCBS had Jeopardy! for the first six weeks, canceled it, and didn't get it back until WoF/J! moved to the CBS O&Os around 1989, when WoF moved to CBS (studio and network).
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I gotta call shenanigans on that because J! has always aired on a non-CBS O&O in my area and Wheel moved from one in '89.

Unless I'm missing something.
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I also get to stand corrected. 20 years on, memories get fuzzy.

'Brian

/Good grief, how old am I?

1984Gameshowsfan · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:58:59 PM »

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I didn't realize the clearance for Pyramid was so poor.
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Now the show not airing here in St. Louis does seem that unusual in hindsight.
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I've noticed that in looking at old TV Guide & Newpaper TV listings most of the bigger markets carried the show pretty much all the way through. Also I do remember seeing a posting of a St. Louis newspaper TV listing on another website that had the show airing on KPLR 11 there. Interestingly though the situation in St. Louis with the $100K Pyramid seems similar to the situation in Seattle-Tacoma where I live; from what i've found out the show aired in 1986 and I think 87 on KING 5, in 1988 the show aired on KSTW 11. Besides what I mentioned the show didn't air in Seattle-Tacoma at all.

CarShark · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2009, 09:13:41 PM »

Can someone explain the clearance issue to me? I thought you got the clearances first, then aired the show. I would have thought that a show with only 40% clearance wouldn't get aired, unless it was just all big cities with no small stations carrying it as the above poster mentioned. And why would a show appeal to the big markets, but not the smaller ones? Isn't that the reverse of how it usually goes?

Jimmy Owen · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2009, 09:56:20 PM »

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Can someone explain the clearance issue to me? I thought you got the clearances first, then aired the show. I would have thought that a show with only 40% clearance wouldn't get aired, unless it was just all big cities with no small stations carrying it as the above poster mentioned. And why would a show appeal to the big markets, but not the smaller ones? Isn't that the reverse of how it usually goes?
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Back then, for the most part, stations would buy the shows for cash and keep all the advertising minutes.
Most, if not all, shows in syndication nowadays contain national spots for which the advertiser needs a certain percentage of the country in order to make it a go. There was much more diversity and product available in syndication back then.

Sodboy13 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2009, 09:18:41 AM »

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I believe at that point, Wheel, Newlywed Game, and Hollywood Squares were cleared on the O&Os of CBS, NBC, and ABC, respectively, for their 7:30/6:30 PM time slots.
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Except for good ol' Chicago, as Wheel was on WLS at 6:30, Newlywed was on WMAQ at 6:30 and Squares, IIRC, was on WPWR.
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I seem to recall Squares airing at 11:00pm on WLS, after Nightline. I specifically remember staying up late one night to watch it. Before that, I think WLS also ran syndie $OTC in that slot, a least for a bit.

As for Rafferty CS, that didn't clear here in Chicago, did it? The only time I saw it during its original run was one of those days when the clouds aligned, and the stations from Milwaukee and Grand Rapids were coming in on the aerial. I remember wondering what was up with the different host and the prize cards.

Ian Wallis · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:58:31 AM »

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Back then, for the most part, stations would buy the shows for cash and keep all the advertising minutes.
Most, if not all, shows in syndication nowadays contain national spots for which the advertiser needs a certain percentage of the country in order to make it a go. There was much more diversity and product available in syndication back then.

I had wondered why I wasn’t fortunate enough to have the nighttime Celebrity Sweepstakes syndicated to my area in ’74-75. I think it was mentioned somewhere that the show was only on a handful of stations. It was stated on here a while back they were network O&Os (I think NBC’s) which covered a large enough percentage of the viewing audience to go ahead with production. Back then each network only owned five stations.

I’ve also heard conflicting reports on Wheel of Fortune. I always thought it started on about 40-odd stations in 1983, and increased significantly as the first year went on. Not that long ago I read (can’t remember where) that it started with only 6 stations – which I don’t think can be right.

Jimmy Owen · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:10:55 PM »

Celeb Sweeps was on the ABC O&O's for the 74-75 season (NYC, LA and Detroit, at least.) and the NBC O&O's for the 76-77. According to a Variety article in 75, there were fewer than twenty stations airing it in prime access.

I live in one of the markets where Wheel started early. WJRT in Flint started airing it on August 29, 1983. Technically, during the 82-83 season. (Sources: Back issues of TV Guide). It wasn't even cleared in NYC until mid-season 83-84.

Don Howard · « **Reply #27 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:15:10 PM »

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I live in one of the markets where Wheel started early. WJRT in Flint started airing it on August 29, 1983.
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Same story with Cleveland's WEWS-TV Channel 5. They ran a week of shows recorded at the Ohio State Fair during that week and the following Monday, WOF made its official syndicated premiere. It's been on at 7pm on that station since Day One. Likewise, the current incarnation of Jeopardy! has run at 7:30pm on TV-5 since its September 10th 1984 premiere.

BrandonFG · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:36:46 PM »

Interesting that shows back then could air without clearance in the top two markets (Norfolk also aired the show since 1983). There was supposed to be an LMAD revival c. 1999 that never came to fruition...one reason mentioned was lack of interest in the New York and L.A. markets...

Ian Wallis · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:37:49 PM »

Buffalo actually started Wheel of Fortune on Aug 22, 1983; Rochester NY picked it up 2 weeks later and the episodes aired two weeks apart that whole first season. By the second season they were synched up, and also aired on a Toronto station starting in the second year.

Well...I think between us we've just named at least 6 stations that aired it in '83...so that thoery pretty well bites the dust. I guess the 40-odd startup station lineup is probably more accurate.