CBS Makes a 'Deal' to Replace 'Guiding Light'

[Ian Wallis]

Your point is generally valid, but I'll disagree on TattleTales. Even though they generally did five shows a week, there's nothing to stop them from only taping three or four and using them as needed.

For most of the first year of Tattletales in 1974, they didn't even run the shows in order.  Most of the time they had two weeks running concurrently (one group of celebrities one day, another the next).  It probably wouldn't matter if they ran them weeks apart from each other - unless one of the celebrities happened to be promoting something that was premiering that week.

[chris319]

As for having Pyramid, or a half-hour version of the Regis Password, I think I see the problem there; both of these shows have celebrities that, presumably, would stay for an entire week, which (a) would require taping five shows a day

It worked for every other daytime game show which used celebrities. MG used to tape six shows per day with time to spare for the celebs to get potted.

and (b) would make it harder to be able to show repeats on an episode-by-episode needed basis ("we need two episodes repeated on the Thursday/Friday of the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament"). This rules out TattleTales and Match Game as well.

So you rerun TPIR episodes to fill one hour and Pyramid to fill a half hour.

[Neumms]

[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'228068\' date=\'Oct 8 2009, 02:26 PM\']i coulda sworn i saw a lmad promo with a crap table[/quote]

Me, too. And it has to be more interesting than karats or carrots.

[Clay Zambo]

I *didn't* see the promo, but some sort of gambling game would seem to be right up LMAD's alley.  Bring on the dice!  Bring on the wheels!  Bring on the cards!  There's still plenty of room for boxes and curtains and doors.

[Jimmy Owen]

[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'228126\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 01:59 PM\']I *didn't* see the promo, but some sort of gambling game would seem to be right up LMAD's alley.  Bring on the dice!  Bring on the wheels!  Bring on the cards!  There's still plenty of room for boxes and curtains and doors.[/quote]

Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)

[MSTieScott]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'228137\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 03:51 PM\']Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)[/quote]
Admittedly, I've only seen two and a half episodes, but I have yet to see them go through the old pretense of the contestant giving the host some insignificant item in order to begin the deal. So it would be easy enough for Wayne to just say, "You look like you want to make some deals. Here's $500. Let's play some craps!"

[tvrandywest]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'228137\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 01:51 PM\']Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)[/quote]

Unless "W" and his friends did something else crazy while in the White House, the FCC lottery rules are still in effect. In this example, charging the audience members to participate (consideration) would be the element that would create the illegal lottery.

Randy
tvrandywest.com

[chris319]

Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect

Yes.

or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas?

No.

(Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)

The way around this is that you don't require the contestant to actually forfeit the egg, nickel, etc. They merely have to produce it.

LMAD is all about trading knowns for unknowns, so any casino game would have to incorporate that. Slot machines work particularly well on TV. You could have a deal where the contestant must spin, say, $5,000 in three spins, and offer them an unknown between each spin. If they reach $5,000 within three spins they keep the money, otherwise, nada.

You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.

Lotteries

The FCC has defined a lottery as “any game, contest, or promotion that combines the elements of prize, chance, and consideration.” Federal law generally prohibits the broadcast of any advertisement or information concerning a lottery. Advertisements or information about the following activities, however, are permitted:

• lotteries conducted by a state acting under the authority of state law, where the advertisement or information is broadcast by a radio or television station licensed to alocation in that state or in any other state that conducts such a lottery;

• gambling conducted by an Indian tribe pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act; or

• lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state in which they are conducted, are conducted by a not-for-profit or governmental organization, or are conducted as a promotional activity by a commercial organization and are
clearly occasional and ancillary to the primary business of that organization.

Casino gambling is a form of lottery because it has the elements of prize, chance, and consideration.

[NickS]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'228147\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 06:57 PM\']You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.[/quote]

With all due respect, what about the Heads-Up Poker Tourney that NBC runs yearly?

[Joe Mello]

[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'228149\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 08:55 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'228147\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 06:57 PM\']You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.[/quote]

With all due respect, what about the Heads-Up Poker Tourney that NBC runs yearly?
[/quote]
I've never heard anything about a buy-in to that.  I'm thinking it falls in the same boat as The Skins Game in that there's money at stake, but it's all house money.

Fwiw, I thought Friday's show was really good in terms of games. Execution was still lacking, but it's a hopeful sign.