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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2009, 10:52:25 PM »
One thing I'm not sure about is how aware contestants later in the 45-day period will be of what's needed to get into the tournament-the only time the leaderboard is shown is at the end of the show, and none of us were aware of where we stood.  I knew only because I saw the graphic on one of the monitors while I was waiting to play.

One problem will be that, especially for later players, it may encourage them to answer really fast to bank as much time as possible.  Since the clock starts as Meredith reads the answers, contestants can simply talk over her to answer.  We were encouraged to do this, but as a viewer I doubt it would be enjoyable to never hear Meredith finish reading the choices-it's akin to someone at home shouting out the answers before you've had the chance to play along.

I guess with the 'pruned' money tree and the lack of attention to detail (I found three errors in the daytime contestant rules which I mentioned to the attorney briefing us, and one of which was serious enough for them to print up new copies for everyone to sign) the tournament feels to me like another half-baked idea that wasn't completely thought out as to its potential to make for uninteresting television.  Maybe it's just me-I like when the contestant has a few seconds to say a few more words other than "C, final answer."  Your time is so short in the chair; at least give everyone a chance for the audience to get to know someone and root for them rather than have the whole thing reduced to rapid-fire responses... a la that other game show of answers and questions.  

In my opinion, the clock's introduction started them on the road to this.  I think the editing in post-production could result in a better product without the clock, but then I'm not sure if they would rather have all the shows in the can rather than whether or not they gave viewers something enjoyable to watch.  I got the impression that the 5 shows on my taping day were under a very tight schedule and that was the driving force.  It was clear to us from the lack of per diem and lodging per policy that the daytime show was not bankrolled the way the ABC primetime series was.  I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but if there's no emotional connection with the contestants the material isn't strong enough on its own to make for compelling television.  Meredith is a wonderful person-let her work with the contestants to bring out their best too rather than reduce her to reading script-this isn't Today, after all.

Oh, and the way I read things, the entire season will have been taped by November.

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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2009, 11:40:10 PM »
[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'224522\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 10:52 PM\']One thing I'm not sure about is how aware contestants later in the 45-day period will be of what's needed to get into the tournament-the only time the leaderboard is shown is at the end of the show, and none of us were aware of where we stood.  I knew only because I saw the graphic on one of the monitors while I was waiting to play.[/quote]
Yeah, that's another whiff of "not entirely thought out".  A fairly good analogy is the Wild Card slots for players in one of Jeopardy's tournaments.  If you have a sense of where things stand before it's your turn to play, it can have a serious effect on your strategy.  Jeopardy tournament players are sequestered until it's their time to play for precisely that reason.  It sounds as though you found out and others in your group didn't, which gave you an ever-so-slight advantage.  Good for you for paying attention, and even better for the players on day 43 and day 44 and day 45 who pay attention.  But to be fair to everybody, nobody should know.  Millionaire should have realized that.
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2009, 12:47:50 AM »
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'224491\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 08:31 PM\']But it will, because they cannot afford that. They're giving away $25,000 a head. For ten people to move up a level, you need ten more people to go for it and be wrong. There just isn't that kind of time.[/quote]There are, I believe, 75-80 episodes during sweeps out of 195. Maybe I can't make it easier for all the shows, but half sounds feasible. That would give me 155 shows to reclaim the money in the other 40. What I would really like is a run of five or six contestants in a row going deep. That kind of buzz could last the rest of the sweeps period.

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And now screwed the players who were unfortunate enough to draw that tape day. Not only didn't they get the easy stack, but they have to fight that much harder to win the big money.
Which, again, I'm ok with. Just as I'm ok with the people who go on TPIR a week after they give away a $90K+ motorhome playing for cheaper prizes and having little shot at winning anything big. It's simply the price you pay for having big wins on the show.

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These are not just abstract numbers and shadows of people. You have to work within the boundaries of a budget, and know that there are real people looking to win real money here.
Yes, but I'm also working with the timings of sweeps. It's not that I don't want or care whether someone hits it big outside of sweeps, but if it's not doing anything for my ad rates (which seem more important than ever), then frankly it's not doing as much as it could. If I'm the producer, and I'm not getting maximum benefit from the few big wins I get every year, I don't think I'd be producer much longer.

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True. But this tournament wrinkle adds an artificial second carrot, almost a distraction. It's the main reason I didn't like $100,000 Pyramid way of qualifying for the tournament. It wasn't enough for you to go up to the top. You had to speed things up. With a tie between $25K and $50K winners being likely, time now becomes a more important factor, as well.
Really? What would you have done differently? I thought that it was a great way to do it.
Winning once in 35 seconds could be a fluke. Winning multiple times makes that less likely. To tell the truth, I quite liked the way Donnymid did it, with making winning twice in a day the requirement. I'd go for either that or going by most wins in the Winners' Circle during a championship run, with total score money and WC attempts being the tie-breakers.

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How is it fair that some players get to play Plinko, and some get to play Double Prices? Or that some people get on a show and the jackpot prize is a foreign holiday while the next group plays for a trip to Florida. Game shows are not an egalitarian exercise, and sometimes you do things that aren't fair just because they look good on TV.
What makes you think that blatantly forcing a million dollar question several days in a row makes for good TV? Assuming they haven't changed the channel after yet another person bombs mid-stack, they have to readjust to the tournament format (with likely lots of explanation from Meredith). If someone answers it wrong, then it's just another loss. If they walk away, it's just another walk away. But if they get it right early on, you can't really celebrate, because they haven't actually won the money yet. They've won a chance at the money.

[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'224522\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 10:52 PM\']Since the clock starts as Meredith reads the answers, contestants can simply talk over her to answer.  We were encouraged to do this, but as a viewer I doubt it would be enjoyable to never hear Meredith finish reading the choices-it's akin to someone at home shouting out the answers before you've had the chance to play along.[/quote]...

Speaking of not-good TV...why the hell does the clock still start when Meredith's reading the answers?

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Oh, and the way I read things, the entire season will have been taped by November.
And I thought it was only cheapie, fly-by-night operations like Temptation that needed to "get 'em all in the can"

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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2009, 12:53:37 AM »
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'224534\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 09:47 PM\']Speaking of not-good TV...why the hell does the clock still start when Meredith's reading the answers?[/quote]
So let me cherry-pick this one point to ask you a question:

What if they DIDN'T start the clock until Meredith finished reading the answers, but the clock had, say, 5 seconds less per question on it? Are you okay with it then?
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And I thought it was only cheapie, fly-by-night operations like Temptation that needed to "get 'em all in the can"
This is a business. The only thing that shooting in this fashion costs them is the ability to ask questions based on current events. If shooting three days a week, five shows a day saves them a ton of money because they can wrap up the shooting season in four months, why shouldn't they do it?
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2009, 01:01:32 AM »
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Oh, and the way I read things, the entire season will have been taped by November.
And I thought it was only cheapie, fly-by-night operations like Temptation that needed to "get 'em all in the can"
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That's nothing new though. A lot of 70s shows taped their episodes during the summer.
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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2009, 12:16:58 PM »
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'224516\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 09:28 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'224511\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 09:49 PM\']"YOU get $63,000 and a pony! YOU get $63,000 and a pony! YOU get $63,000 and a pony!..."[/quote]

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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2009, 12:38:38 PM »
[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'224522\' date=\'Aug 30 2009, 10:52 PM\']Oh, and the way I read things, the entire season will have been taped by November.[/quote]

IIRC, every season of SyndieBAM has taped from August until around Thanksgiving, so this isn't new.

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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2009, 05:17:23 PM »
Got a call today from WWTBAM saying that they've changed their mind (again) and will be using a new money tree:

500
1,000
2,000
3,000
5,000

7,500
10,000
12,500
15,000
25,000

With the rest the same as before.

Oddly enough, this money tree won't take effect until after us 9 carryovers are all finished (6th episode, presumably).  Then they're going to change our "Tournament of Ten" standings to match the new money tree.  But the payouts will be based on the *old* money tree.

Can't wait to hear Meredith explain that one... "so we're updating everyone's position, but for those who would have won more cash with the new tree, we're NOT giving them the money".

I wonder what the next change will be... perhaps our episodes won't be shown at all. "Remember what we said at the end of Regis' last episode?  We lied."

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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2009, 05:52:55 PM »
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Got a call today from WWTBAM saying that they've changed their mind (again) and will be using a new money tree:

Not impressed with the new tree.  If it ain't broke...don't try to go and fix it.  It'll seem odd if they air 6 episodes with the old figures and all of a sudden change them.

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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2009, 06:04:53 PM »
Don't like the new tree at all - i'd like to hear Davies reasoning behind it.
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2009, 06:10:08 PM »
I still haven't quite figured out for myself why the original tree was replaced.  The "current" one is fine, this new one is bizarre.

Hey, at least they didn't place the UK tree here.  That's a plus.
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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2009, 06:32:28 PM »
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'224586\' date=\'Aug 31 2009, 03:10 PM\']I still haven't quite figured out for myself why the original tree was replaced.  The "current" one is fine, this new one is bizarre.

Hey, at least they didn't place the UK tree here.  That's a plus.[/quote]
I'd rather see the UK tree than that goofy thing. $12,500? Nuh-uh.

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« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2009, 06:37:36 PM »
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'224586\' date=\'Aug 31 2009, 05:10 PM\']Hey, at least they didn't place the UK tree here.  That's a plus.[/quote]
What's wrong with the new UK tree? After I got used to it, I rather liked it.

I'd actually prefer if they adopted the 12-step tree instead of the one they're gonna use now. (Hell, even the proposed one was slightly better)

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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2009, 06:44:46 PM »
Is it just me, or is there no risk whatsoever here? The $5,000 to 7,500 is okay, but after that, you're really not risking too much money. Honestly, I'd love $15,000, but I wouldn't be THAT bummed about going back down to $5,000, as opposed to $1,000. Granted, I'd be pissed, but $5,000 is nothing to sneeze at either. Part of what made the original tier so cool was after hitting that $1,000 question, everything doubled, so you saw big money, but you saw a big risk as well. From $5,000 on, you basically get an extra $2,500 for every question you get right, until you reach the $25,000 mark.

Honestly, I can't see a way to alter the tree without a) making too many close dollar values (the new $2,500 increments), and b) eliminating the risk and incentive.

Perhaps 200/300/500/1000/2500/4000/5000/7500/15000/25000/50000/100,000/250,000/500,000/1 million
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« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2009, 06:46:46 PM »
15 is a nice number of questions, and makes a nice, tidy three sets of five questions per level.  The current UK system seems lopsided with two at the bottom, then two sets of five.  I realize that the shortening of the bottom tier was probably just to quicken the pace, but it just seems weird.  Also, 50,000 is high for a safe haven.

(All my opinion.)
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