TPiR: Make Your Mark retired

[TheLastResort]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225958\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:52 PM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'225955\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225905\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 07:02 PM\']If you think I enjoy doing this, you really need to reexamine the situation.[/quote]Oh, I absolutely think you enjoy doing this.[/quote]
Then you don't know me nearly as well as you appear to want to think you do.
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And you appear to want people to think I appear to want to think I know you even though I don't, when in fact I do, regardless of how it may appear.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'225961\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:58 PM\']And you appear to want people to think I appear to want to think I know you even though I don't, when in fact I do, regardless of how it may appear.[/quote]
Okay, I know that was a crack at me...but screw it.  That's funny. :-)

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'225954\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 06:38 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225926\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:03 PM\']
Yes, and then you came in and acted like your usual, arrogant self.[/quote][/quote]
First off, I seriously, seriously don't appreciate you attributing words to me that I did not speak.

Secondly, I would invite you to take a step back and reflect on exactly how the "bickering" in this thread has been anything but one-sided, and how agreeing with two other people in this thread is such a heinous offense. Because that, apparently, is the "arrogance" that you tried to attribute to me.

(Notice I didn't say "tell me," because frankly I don't have any interest in discussing something like that with someone who's going to look at usernames and make a knee-jerk reaction. Just reflect on it.)

[jmangin]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225968\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:19 PM\'][quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'225954\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 06:38 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225926\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 08:03 PM\']
Yes, and then you came in and acted like your usual, arrogant self.[/quote][/quote]
First off, I seriously, seriously don't appreciate you attributing words to me that I did not speak.

Secondly, I would invite you to take a step back and reflect on exactly how the "bickering" in this thread has been anything but one-sided, and how agreeing with two other people in this thread is such a heinous offense. Because that, apparently, is the "arrogance" that you tried to attribute to me.

(Notice I didn't say "tell me," because frankly I don't have any interest in discussing something like that with someone who's going to look at usernames and make a knee-jerk reaction. Just reflect on it.)
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My mistake and sincere apologies to you (and to others who may have misinterpreted something about you because of my error) regarding the misquote. When I hit reply I removed the wrong quote code.

[ClockGameJohn]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'225883\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 05:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225880\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:50 PM\']Why?  Are you really that bad at reading between the lines?  Or is it just because it's people from Golden-Road?[/quote]
Well, speaking for myself, I can tell you that it has nothing to do with whether people are from Golden Road or not, and I think my decade-plus reputation around the interwebs ought to account for something when I say that.  And when I see:
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'194636\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 05:04 PM\']Perhaps if everyone understood why the Make Your Mark change was implemented, it would stand to reason why some [of us] get frustrated.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing any 'not-too-cryptic allusions'.  I see an argument trying to be won by "I know, but I'm not telling."[/quote]

I think you are implying that I had some sinister plot by "playing a card" on the members here.  I don't get any gratification by withholding information and I think that my number of years providing accurate information both on this site and Golden-Road.net would lead most to believe that I have reasons behind withholding some info and not others.  There is a whole lot that just doesn't get discussed and I was only trying to interject in a thread that was going crazy.  (It's not as if I started the thread.)  I guess I should not be surprised since I have interpreted your posts to mean that you have an issue with certain forum members, but I would have thought you were more mature than interpreting something I post as "I know something you don't know!"  (Take note that the original post cited no sources -- sorry Don!)

[quote name=\'pacdude\' post=\'225882\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:59 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225879\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:47 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225875\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:33 PM\']When we know something that we can't reveal the details of, would you really prefer for us to stay completely quiet about it instead of making not-terribly-cryptic allusions to it?[/quote]Yes.
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Seconded.
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I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 07:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]
Wow, was that poisoning the well.

[Joe Mello]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]
I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take Price is Right threads and turn them into pissing contests.

[Matt Ottinger]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:45 PM\']I guess I should not be surprised since I have interpreted your posts to mean that you have an issue with certain forum members,[/quote]
Holy cow, I'm just honestly flummoxed by this one.  You've held onto a flippant remark I made almost three years ago about Don winning bragging rights, and somehow that's supposed to mean I have a problem with "certain forum members"?  I mean really, somebody else please tell me what I'm missing here.  I don't know what kind of grudge you've been holding all this time, but I can tell you it is staggeringly misplaced.

[pentellit]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 07:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]
Or make the motion that if you have information, that you state who or where you got it from (and not just the "my friend/my source/people I know who work there, etc. vague cryptic shit).   I'll do it.  And I believe that would go a long way to clarifying what is speculation and conjecture (or in the case of the "Bob's a god Roger's a hero" fanb0is, "wishfull thinking").  In doing so this will hopefully put an end to the...deliberate misinformation (how tactful am I! that's being put forth about TPIR, and the tedious arguments still being caused by it.

There is a common practice on these supposedly anonymous boards among individuals who wish to be seen as authorities or as someone having insider info, that when they're challenged, especially when they're confronted or confounded by facts, or by someone who actually has genuine insider knowledge (especially if that information contradicts the essense of what they believe), that these individuals predictably;

a.) Revert to bitchy personal attacks on their challenger.  

b.) Bring up something inflamatory, usually not relevant to the issue, but something that is guaranteed to inflame and therefore to distract.  

Or, they simply use the infamous Changeup Pitch; (definition; in baseball, a pitch whose deceptive delivery is meant to confuse).  

As in the baseball metaphor regarding debate; “When the facts are on your side, pitch the facts.  When the law is on your side, pitch the law.  When neither one is on your side, pitch a Changeup!”.

So I make a motion that if you cannot say who or where you got your information from, then STFU.

But hey, it's just my opinion.

[Matt Ottinger]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]
Wait, we're supposed to take your word that your sources are unimpeachable, but you're allowed to take potshots at somebody else's sources?  I'm seriously missing the logic in that.

[J.R.]

C'mon, pentellit, don't pour gasoline on this.

[NickS]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]

Please tell me where Bart Eskander's wife became an oracle for all things TPiR, because as an outsider - that's not who I'd look to first.

[Bill Neuweiler]

[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'225999\' date=\'Sep 15 2009, 12:01 AM\']C'mon, pentellit, don't pour gasoline on this.[/quote]

The Password is........"Accelerant"

[ClockGameJohn]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'225992\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:40 PM\']Holy cow, I'm just honestly flummoxed by this one.  You've held onto a flippant remark I made almost three years ago about Don winning bragging rights, and somehow that's supposed to mean I have a problem with "certain forum members"?  I mean really, somebody else please tell me what I'm missing here.  I don't know what kind of grudge you've been holding all this time, but I can tell you it is staggeringly misplaced.[/quote]

No grudge.  I took offense to how you phrased your response to my previous post as if I am just an "overzealous fanb0i" or an "amateur historian."

[quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225994\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:44 PM\']There is a common practice on these supposedly anonymous boards among individuals who wish to be seen as authorities or as someone having insider info, that when they're challenged, especially when they're confronted or confounded by facts, or by someone who actually has genuine insider knowledge[/quote]

Wait...if someone has "insider info," and they are challenged or confronted by someone else who has "insider knowledge" --- the latter is right?

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'225996\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:48 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225977\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 10:45 PM\']I would like to make the motion that we no longer allow users to take statements from the wife of someone who gets fired as the ultimate source of information.[/quote]
Wait, we're supposed to take your word that your sources are unimpeachable, but you're allowed to take potshots at somebody else's sources?  I'm seriously missing the logic in that.
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That's understood and if there was precedent that I had set with misinformation, I would hold no issue.

(I take personal note that I try to avoid these confrontational threads for a reason...)

[pentellit]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'226003\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 09:08 PM\']Wait...if someone has "insider info," and they are challenged or confronted by someone else who has "insider knowledge" --- the latter is right?[/quote]

If the former is vague, and not forthcoming, and the latter is up front and states their source or sources, uh yeah "the latter is right".