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tvrandywest

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« on: September 27, 2010, 06:20:55 PM »
Another $50 million in interest from Disney to Celador.

No wonder the format changed so drastically this year to no longer be the same game and subject to further legal action!

http://www.thewrap.com/television/column-p...ney-trial-21225

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 06:32:58 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'248375\' date=\'Sep 27 2010, 03:20 PM\']No wonder the format changed so drastically this year to no longer be the same game and subject to further legal action![/quote]

Well, I still have a hard time believing that. Celedor sold the right to 2WayTraffic a few years ago, this is all for stuff during the ABC primetime runs, and the first couple seasons of Syndie.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 10:16:10 PM »
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No wonder the format changed so drastically this year to no longer be the same game and subject to further legal action!
I don't get the connection. How does this make Disney immune from further legal action?

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 02:03:20 AM »
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'248383\' date=\'Sep 27 2010, 07:16 PM\']
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No wonder the format changed so drastically this year to no longer be the same game and subject to further legal action!
I don't get the connection. How does this make Disney immune from further legal action?
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The program has been changed sufficiently to successfully make the argument that it is an entirely new show. The format is different, the rules are different, the number of questions is different, the money ladder is different, the set is different, the contestant stands instead of sits - there is no more "hot seat", the music is different, etc. etc.

The show that was the subject of litigation is no longer on the air.

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 02:50:56 AM »
But the case has been decided, so I don't see how the verdict/award or any future litigation is affected by this. It's still "answer questions worth ascending values and make your way to the top of the money ladder". And the title is the same.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 05:21:15 AM »
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'248392\' date=\'Sep 27 2010, 11:50 PM\']But the case has been decided, so I don't see how the verdict/award or any future litigation is affected by this. It's still "answer questions worth ascending values and make your way to the top of the money ladder". And the title is the same.[/quote]

Here's the case in a nutshell:

Celador contends that Disney and its subsidiaries ABC, Buena Vista Television and Valleycrest Productions conducted a series of slippery deals and secret arrangements that left the show's creators short hundreds of millions in expected revenues and profits from the show.

Unless I'm mistaken, Disney subsidiaries are still syndicating a show called WWTBAM. Up until this month they were vulnerable to further legal action by Celador for Disney's Hollywood deal-making and bookkeeping that Celador could claim was again/still shortchanging them. I contend that with the new changes to the format, rules and presentation there is now a viable legal argument that the program Disney is currently syndicating is beyond the scope of Celador's intellectual property.

Nobody owns "answering questions worth ascending values to make your way to the top of the money ladder." That's descriptive of a dozen or more shows over the decades (everything from $64K Question to Weakest Link). It's too general. A book or screenplay in which "boy meets girl, boy and girl break up, girl has change of heart and the couple marries" has been done a zillion times and is too general to own/copyright/protect. Too bad, or else there would only be one chick flick to avoid.

The devil is in the details. The details of the presentation determine the similarities.


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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 12:04:05 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'248397\' date=\'Sep 28 2010, 02:21 AM\']I contend that with the new changes to the format, rules and presentation there is now a viable legal argument that the program Disney is currently syndicating is beyond the scope of Celador's intellectual property.[/quote]

Except Celador no longer owns the format: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...00m-472192.html
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 01:34:35 PM »
[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'248402\' date=\'Sep 28 2010, 09:04 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'248397\' date=\'Sep 28 2010, 02:21 AM\']I contend that with the new changes to the format, rules and presentation there is now a viable legal argument that the program Disney is currently syndicating is beyond the scope of Celador's intellectual property.[/quote]

Except Celador no longer owns the format: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...00m-472192.html
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Thanks; I missed that piece of the puzzle.

Other than to distance itself from their past bad faith acts with the show, I can't think of any other reason for Disney to have so drastically evicerated a successful show. It's far from the skillful kind of freshening that Harry Friedman does with WOF, and it's unprecedented.

Or did my limited sampling of the show result in my jumping to the conclusion that Disney has tinkered with virtually every element?

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 02:24:35 PM »
Jay Wolpert needed something to do between Johnny Depp movies.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2010, 08:37:55 PM »
Thanks for providing the missing puzzle piece, Hastin.

If you tinker with every aspect of the format except the basic premise and don't even bother to change the title, I think you'd have a difficult case to make that it's a completely different show (c.f. Davidson TPIR).

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 04:37:40 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'248404\' date=\'Sep 28 2010, 12:34 PM\']Or did my limited sampling of the show result in my jumping to the conclusion that Disney has tinkered with virtually every element?[/quote]

You can still Ask the Audience.

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 10:57:07 PM »
[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'248500\' date=\'Sep 30 2010, 04:37 PM\']...and they still wanted to get Bill Cullen to host.  :-P[/quote]
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 11:50:06 PM »
[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'248500\' date=\'Sep 30 2010, 01:37 PM\']...and they still wanted to get Bill Cullen to host.  :-P[/quote]
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