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SweepingDeveloper

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« on: September 28, 2011, 03:58:01 PM »
I've been doing a bit of research on ad rates for game shows, and the top two in syndication, Wheel and Jeopardy!, each charge between $50K and $60K per 30 second spot.  This translates to around $1 million per show.

For 230 shows, $230 million.  

The Gameshow News Net website posts $1 million milestones when a certain show reaches their next million in prize giveaways.  I figured that both Wheel and Jeopardy! give away roughly $10 million each in prizes per year.  That's a roughly 4% prize rate.  Is this an accurate assumption for all shows, or is this just unique?  Plus, what all goes into the expense portion of their income statement, other than the prizes and what the host gets in salary?  Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 04:45:53 PM »
Depending where you're at, the studio rental is part of that budget.

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 05:03:31 PM »
Depending where you're at, the studio rental is part of that budget.
On that note, is it possible that going on the road actually saves a show money?

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 05:25:47 PM »
On that note, is it possible that going on the road actually saves a show money?
Not when you realize that they're not exactly getting the space on the road for free, either, PLUS they're now paying to schlep production personnel and equipment around.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 10:43:06 PM »
Our esteemed moderator Chris posted a good basic explanation of this (specifically regarding Password Plus) in the Archives back in 2006.

There's also a good thread between Randy and everybody else from 2003.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 02:11:54 AM »
A game show budget is divided into three basic categories. Like all TV and motion picture productions, the above-the-line budget covers talent, producers, directors, writers, researchers, contestant coordinators, music and other related job categories. The below-the-line budget covers engineering and staging (I imagine it also covers travel and transportation) as well as things like hair, make-up and wardrobe. The below-the-line budget covers studio space, all technical personnel and equipment (the equipment is basically rented from the facility) such as cameras, audio, servers (formerly videotape), lighting, editing, stage managers, stagehands (TPIR has an army of stagehands just to move prizes and games in and out), game board and scoreboard operators. For game shows there is also a separate prize budget.

It's difficult to determine how much it costs to produce a show without knowing above-the-line salaries. Unless you know someone on the inside who has access to that information, outsiders are not going to know, for example, how much Harry Friedman makes (I know how much Allen Ludden, Gene Wood and our celebrities made because I've seen the checks).

I don't think taking a show on the road saves them money because not only do they have to pay for the facilities they use, they also have to transport the set and all the special effects equipment as well as pay everyone's travel expenses and accomodations. Even if they get a deal from a big Las Vegas hotel/casino, they would have to get a sweet enough deal to cover all of these ancillary expenses. I've never understood how it was cheaper to shoot in Las Vegas or Canada given the travel expenses involved.

Brian Conn, can you add anything to this?
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 03:55:03 PM »
I don't think taking a show on the road saves them money because not only do they have to pay for the facilities they use, they also have to transport the set and all the special effects equipment as well as pay everyone's travel expenses and accomodations. Even if they get a deal from a big Las Vegas hotel/casino, they would have to get a sweet enough deal to cover all of these ancillary expenses. I've never understood how it was cheaper to shoot in Las Vegas or Canada given the travel expenses involved.

Brian Conn, can you add anything to this?

In the case of taking "Hollywood Squares" to New York, I don't know the specific incentives, but the money folk built the road trip into the season as an entirely separate budget.  Affiliate relations contributed to this budget since you're also trying to pump up the ratings in that city. There were expenses in cutting the squares into three rows of three so that it would fit into the trucks (it was originally the first two levels, and the top row came off).  Add in about 80 hotel rooms in three different hotels and you've got a lot of extra money that has to be spent.  We did have an ongoing deal from United Airlines for the run of the show that gave us some breaks for a mention.

The way you can potentially save is by bringing some key members of the technical and stage crew, who know the show inside and out, and using local crew to fill out the rest. The locals worked well and appreciated having those who knew how things worked alongside them. This hopefully lessens the possibility of expensive overtime.  I'm not sure how many of the regular crew Wheel & Jeopardy take on road trips, but it saved us countless headaches.

If you're doing the show in Las Vegas, it is conceivable the hotel would give the showroom for free or a major discount in exchange for all the location plugs.  The NYC facility gave us some of the production offices since we rented the attached theater.  

At least we didn't have to fly our host to California those weeks - though we may have reimbursed his gas to drive into the city :)
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 06:24:43 PM »
Brian, did the New York trip give your ratings a boost?

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 11:58:45 PM »
Brian, did the New York trip give your ratings a boost?

I don't recall now, if it helped or not.

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 01:07:36 AM »
Brian, which version of HS did you work on? Davidson or Bergeron or both? Both versions flew to New York City.

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 01:10:47 AM »
I'm not Brian, but I would figure it's the Bergeron version because I'm fairly certain Davidson was based in LA at the time of his show and we've discussed Bergeron's commuting in the past.

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 05:51:52 AM »
I'm not Brian, but I would figure it's the Bergeron version because I'm fairly certain Davidson was based in LA at the time of his show and we've discussed Bergeron's commuting in the past.

/interested myself, got beaten to the punch with the question
I'm not Brian either, but Bergeron. I remember seeing him post memories of the show here.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 12:47:29 PM »
I'm not Brian, but I would figure it's the Bergeron version because I'm fairly certain Davidson was based in LA at the time of his show and we've discussed Bergeron's commuting in the past.

/interested myself, got beaten to the punch with the question
I'm not Brian either, but Bergeron. I remember seeing him post memories of the show here.

I *am* Brian, and it was the Bergeron version :)

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 02:32:14 PM »
Will the real 'Brian' please speak up.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 07:34:50 PM »
I'm not Brian, but I would figure it's the Bergeron version because I'm fairly certain Davidson was based in LA at the time of his show and we've discussed Bergeron's commuting in the past.

/interested myself, got beaten to the punch with the question
I'm not Brian either, but Bergeron. I remember seeing him post memories of the show here.

I *am* Brian, and it was the Bergeron version :)

Thank you, Brian. Sorry for stealing your thunder. ;)
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