Password Plus Mystery

[snowpeck]

The only way this theory works is if the slates on the David Doyle shows say 500 - 504.

If they did, why would GSN have them numbered as 470-474?

[SRIV94]

I spoke with a gentleman named Andre at GSN who works in the library and he pulled this up on the computer for me (and he promises to E-mail me further details since he's a little tied up at the moment).  But long story short--in their computer they have eps 470-474 indicated as the week with Doyle/Hecht/Scott/Gautier.  Tape date was 10/11/80.

[joshg]

Being late to the party, I checked the eps from the DVDs I have and:

490-494  VTR Sat 11/15/80   AIR 11/25-12/2/80  Vicki Lawrence      Fred Grandy       Thanksgiving preemption
I have 5 episodes
495-499  VTR Sun 11/16/80   AIR 12/3-9/80    Judy Norton-Taylor  Bert Convy
5 episodes
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500-504 ?VTR Sat 11/29/80   AIR 12/10-16/80?
Maybe NBC or GT "reslated" the first all star week episode numbers to jive with the next tape date?

505-509 ?VTR Sun 11/30/80   AIR 12/10-16/80? Della Reese?       Bill Anderson?
Correct. And I have only 4 eps. The contestants line up with the previous show with Judy and Bert and the first show with Betty and Dick

510-514  VTR Sat 12/ 6/80   AIR 12/17-23/80  Betty White         Dick Martin

Josh

[chris319]

I spoke with a gentleman named Andre at GSN who works in the library and he pulled this up on the computer for me (and he promises to E-mail me further details since he's a little tied up at the moment).  But long story short--in their computer they have eps 470-474 indicated as the week with Doyle/Hecht/Scott/Gautier.  Tape date was 10/11/80.

This is a lot to ask, but would you mind calling Andre back and asking about shows 500 - 504? If he says Norton-Taylor/Convy taped on 11/16/80 then my recollection has been flawed all these years decades.

[chris319]

Maybe NBC or GT "reslated" the first all star week episode numbers to jive with the next tape date?

DEFINITELY not NBC or GT as confusion would have reigned supreme. GSN on the other hand ...

Maybe they never taped episodes 500 - 504?

I have to leave for a doctor appointment now. She'll have to give me pills for the headache this is going to give me. I'll sort it out later.

[SRIV94]

I spoke with a gentleman named Andre at GSN who works in the library and he pulled this up on the computer for me (and he promises to E-mail me further details since he's a little tied up at the moment).  But long story short--in their computer they have eps 470-474 indicated as the week with Doyle/Hecht/Scott/Gautier.  Tape date was 10/11/80.

This is a lot to ask, but would you mind calling Andre back and asking about shows 500 - 504? If he says Norton-Taylor/Convy taped on 11/16/80 then my recollection has been flawed all these years decades.

My request was to find out the VTR dates of shows 470-509.  He has E-mailed me but something seems off, so I want to clarify with him before I report.

[SRIV94]

I spoke with a gentleman named Andre at GSN who works in the library and he pulled this up on the computer for me (and he promises to E-mail me further details since he's a little tied up at the moment).  But long story short--in their computer they have eps 470-474 indicated as the week with Doyle/Hecht/Scott/Gautier.  Tape date was 10/11/80.

This is a lot to ask, but would you mind calling Andre back and asking about shows 500 - 504? If he says Norton-Taylor/Convy taped on 11/16/80 then my recollection has been flawed all these years decades.

My request was to find out the VTR dates of shows 470-509.  He has E-mailed me but something seems off, so I want to clarify with him before I report.

He confirmed these:

470-474:  David Doyle/Gina Hecht/Dick Gautier/Debralee Scott (VTR 10/11/80)
475-479:  Jim Perry/Judy Norton-Taylor/Greg Morris/Nancy Walker (VTR 10/12/80)
480-484:  Patty Duke Astin/John Astin (VTR 10/17/80)
485-489:  Barbara Rhoades/Bill Cullen (VTR 10/18/80)
490-494:  Audrey Landers/Jack Jones (VTR 11/15/80)
495-499:  Vicki Lawrence/Fred Grandy (VTR 11/16/80)
500-504:  Judy Norton-Taylor/Bert Convy (VTR 11/29/80)
505-509:  Della Reese/Bill Anderson (VTR 11/30/80)

So your last week apparently was Vicki Lawrence and Fred Grandy (if you left on 11/21/80).

[Steve Gavazzi]

Maybe NBC or GT "reslated" the first all star week episode numbers to jive with the next tape date?

DEFINITELY not NBC or GT as confusion would have reigned supreme.

Are you sure that couldn't have happened?  (Granted, it appears not to have, but I'm just speaking in general now.)  There are six pre-empted episodes (and, strangely, one non-pre-empted one) from the first season of TPIR that were rescheduled to all air in a row in June so as to get all of the The New Price Is Rights broadcast before the name change, and each of them has a second production number that falls between the last TNPIR and the first TPIR.

Then again, The Price Is Right also has a completely different numbering system than Password Plus.

[chris319]

470-474: David Doyle/Gina Hecht/Dick Gautier/Debralee Scott (VTR 10/11/80)
475-479: Jim Perry/Judy Norton-Taylor/Greg Morris/Nancy Walker (VTR 10/12/80)
480-484: Patty Duke Astin/John Astin (VTR 10/17/80)
485-489: Barbara Rhoades/Bill Cullen (VTR 10/18/80)
490-494: Audrey Landers/Jack Jones (VTR 11/15/80)
495-499: Vicki Lawrence/Fred Grandy (VTR 11/16/80)
500-504: Judy Norton-Taylor/Bert Convy (VTR 11/29/80)
505-509: Della Reese/Bill Anderson (VTR 11/30/80)

So your last week apparently was Vicki Lawrence and Fred Grandy (if you left on 11/21/80).

This confirms that 495-499 were taped on Sunday, 11/16/80. Good enough for me. The on-line episode guide still has the show numbers wrong. Note also that 480 - 484 were taped on a Friday, a departure from our usual Saturday - Sunday tapings.

Thanks a million for doing this.

[SRIV94]

Thanks a million for doing this.

Anytime.  Truth be told, it satisfied my curiosity too (I had wondered about the lag time between VTR date and airdate for some of these shows; throw in my long-documented fascination with airdates as well).

[chris319]

Maybe NBC or GT "reslated" the first all star week episode numbers to jive with the next tape date?

DEFINITELY not NBC or GT as confusion would have reigned supreme.

Are you sure that couldn't have happened?  (Granted, it appears not to have, but I'm just speaking in general now.)  There are six pre-empted episodes (and, strangely, one non-pre-empted one) from the first season of TPIR that were rescheduled to all air in a row in June so as to get all of the The New Price Is Rights broadcast before the name change, and each of them has a second production number that falls between the last TNPIR and the first TPIR.

Then again, The Price Is Right also has a completely different numbering system than Password Plus.

The main difference between TPIR and P+ is that the former has all standalone episodes, while our show had five consecutive days with the same celebrities, and it had returning contestants. Renumbering the shows would mean the tapes would have to be re-slated and all of the changes would have to propagate throughout the entire system lest an episode be repeated, omitted or air out of order. Renumbering the shows wouldn't buy us much. With TPIR it doesn't much matter in what sequence the shows run, except for the switch from TNPIR to TPIR (and Barker's hair color change).

[chris319]

Thanks a million for doing this.

Anytime.

Perchance did Andre send you the entire P+ episode list?

[SRIV94]

Perchance did Andre send you the entire P+ episode list?

He did not.  Just eps 470-509.

[Steve Gavazzi]

With TPIR it doesn't much matter in what sequence the shows run, except for the switch from TNPIR to TPIR (and Barker's hair color change).

This reminds me of a pointless bit of info:  For reasons I've never figured out, the second week of Season 16 was taped out of order and wasn't aired until after the sixth week.  If one were to sit down and watch the episodes in the proper order, Bob would have white hair for five days and then have dark hair again for another three and a half weeks.

[snowpeck]

470-474: David Doyle/Gina Hecht/Dick Gautier/Debralee Scott (VTR 10/11/80)
475-479: Jim Perry/Judy Norton-Taylor/Greg Morris/Nancy Walker (VTR 10/12/80)
480-484: Patty Duke Astin/John Astin (VTR 10/17/80)
485-489: Barbara Rhoades/Bill Cullen (VTR 10/18/80)
490-494: Audrey Landers/Jack Jones (VTR 11/15/80)
495-499: Vicki Lawrence/Fred Grandy (VTR 11/16/80)
500-504: Judy Norton-Taylor/Bert Convy (VTR 11/29/80)
505-509: Della Reese/Bill Anderson (VTR 11/30/80)

So your last week apparently was Vicki Lawrence and Fred Grandy (if you left on 11/21/80).

This confirms that 495-499 were taped on Sunday, 11/16/80. Good enough for me. The on-line episode guide still has the show numbers wrong. Note also that 480 - 484 were taped on a Friday, a departure from our usual Saturday - Sunday tapings.

Thanks a million for doing this.

This also confirms that Tom Kennedy's first taped week didn't air until almost 2 months later, and what we thought was a goof by GSN in identifying Tom's first episode all those years ago was technically accurate.