Twenty-One ties

[JasonA1]

What would happen on Twenty-One if either player elected to stop the game when the scores were tied?

-Jason

[clemon79]

What would happen on Twenty-One if either player elected to stop the game when the scores were tied?

On Povich, I believe it initiated a sudden-death lockout question.

On Barry, if I remember my Quiz Show correctly, you started a new game with the $X-per-point stakes increased. (I want to say they doubled.)

[TLEberle]

On Povich, I believe it initiated a sudden-death lockout question.

Correct, select!

On Barry, if I remember my Quiz Show correctly, you started a new game with the $X-per-point stakes increased. (I want to say they doubled.)

My memory is that the per point stakes increased by $500 each time the pair tied. (Stempel/Van Doren play for $2,500 per point in their climactic final game, and you can't get to $2,500 by doubling.)

[clemon79]

(Stempel/Van Doren play for $2,500 per point in their climactic final game, and you can't get to $2,500 by doubling.)

Having not seen the movie in over fifteen years, this is why I hedged my bets.

[TLEberle]

(Stempel/Van Doren play for $2,500 per point in their climactic final game, and you can't get to $2,500 by doubling.)

Having not seen the movie in over fifteen years, this is why I hedged my bets.

This wasn't from the film, this was from the real deal: the actual episode of their final game exists on the Youtubes. CVD wins by eight and takes down twenty grand.

EDIT: Realized later, Quiz Show exists in nine parts on the Youtubes as well.

[Kevin Prather]

(Stempel/Van Doren play for $2,500 per point in their climactic final game, and you can't get to $2,500 by doubling.)

Having not seen the movie in over fifteen years, this is why I hedged my bets.

This wasn't from the film, this was from the real deal: the actual episode of their final game exists on the Youtubes. CVD wins by eight and takes down twenty grand.

EDIT: Realized later, Quiz Show exists in nine parts on the Youtubes as well.

What's interesting about watching the actual game is that the "Marty" question is not the one that cost Stempel the game, like Quiz Show would have you think. It wasn't even in the ultimate round.

[JasonA1]

On Povich, I believe it initiated a sudden-death lockout question.

On Barry, if I remember my Quiz Show correctly, you started a new game with the $X-per-point stakes increased. (I want to say they doubled.)

I guess what I'm looking for is did anybody see it happen. I know both of the above circumstances happened when the game ended in a 21-21 tie from correct answers. But, on either version (and I know it's less likely on the original, since that was staged for most of its run), did any players choose to stop after round 2 while the scores were tied?

Wiki seems to imply that the game value increased on the Jack Barry version only when the game ended 21-21. The article also suggests that the game would end after five rounds (or categories) of questioning, which presents another opportunity for a non 21-21 tie.

-Jason

[clemon79]

But, on either version (and I know it's less likely on the original, since that was staged for most of its run), did any players choose to stop after round 2 while the scores were tied?

I utterly fail to see why the rule would be applied any differently.

Wiki seems to imply that the game value increased on the Jack Barry version only when the game ended 21-21.

I'm too lazy today to find the stick-figure "Citation Needed" cartoon.

[Kevin Prather]

I guess what I'm looking for is did anybody see it happen. I know both of the above circumstances happened when the game ended in a 21-21 tie from correct answers. But, on either version (and I know it's less likely on the original, since that was staged for most of its run), did any players choose to stop after round 2 while the scores were tied?

On Povich, a 19-point tie happened once, and it was dealt with by sudden death. Can't vouch for the latter, but given that B&E wanted ties as much as possible, it seems, I have to think that's what they'd do.

[rjaguar3]

I read in a book somewhere that 21 partway through its run (before Stempel's run) introduced a rule that if the game ended in a scoreless tie (presumably after 5 rounds of questions), both contestants won $100 and left the show.

[TLEberle]

I read in a book somewhere that 21 partway through its run (before Stempel's run) introduced a rule that if the game ended in a scoreless tie (presumably after 5 rounds of questions), both contestants won $100 and left the show.

"Focus groups show that nobody likes you. Here's $100. Please...leave now."

[tvrandywest]

I suggest great care in ascribing validity to the details in "Quiz Show." There was lots of dramatic license.

Randy
tvrandywest.com

[clemon79]

I suggest great care in ascribing validity to the details in "Quiz Show." There was lots of dramatic license.

Understood, but the basic concept of "per-point-goes-up-on-a-tie" was likely to carry over accurately.

[chris319]

did any players choose to stop after round 2 while the scores were tied?

On the '50s version I don't think it was so much the players' decision as it was Mr. Enright's.

[TLEberle]

I mean that's how I'd do it.

Why?