TV Game Show Vault '12

[clemon79]

In a sense, though, content that is broadcast over the public airwaves should belong to the public.

But isn't that like saying that I shouldn't own the rights to the content of a speech I have written and presented because I used the same air everyone else breathes to do so?

[trainman]

In a sense, though, content that is broadcast over the public airwaves should belong to the public.

Whoo-hoo! I'm going to BitTorrent every song that's ever been broadcast on the radio!

[TLEberle]

Whoo-hoo! I'm going to BitTorrent every song that's ever been broadcast on the radio!

And after you're done doing that, would you send the torrents my way? I sure do love music, but that pesky paying for it model is a relic of the dark ages. I want free.

/Jeebus, what a lame argument.

[clemon79]

Whoo-hoo! I'm going to BitTorrent every song that's ever been broadcast on the radio!

While this is another one of those times I'm pretty certain that Jimmy's trolling, I have to point out the logical hole here. When you're BitTorrenting, usually what you are getting is the song in question ripped from the CD, which is not the radio transmission; it is by definition much cleaner than the radio transmission. Now, if someone recorded the song off of the direct radio transmission, and then posted THAT, I could see this being a justifiable argument.

[Jimmy Owen]

In a sense, though, content that is broadcast over the public airwaves should belong to the public.

But isn't that like saying that I shouldn't own the rights to the content of a speech I have written and presented because I used the same air everyone else breathes to do so?

Not quite the same, but if I am forced to provide you with the pen and paper to write it and you presented it in my house, I should be able to keep the paper on which you wrote it (or a copy of it) to use as I see fit. That does not prevent you as the writer from trying to sell copies yourself.

[Blanquepage]

New shows are up! 4 more coming, including some black and white goodies.

--Jamie

[TLEberle]

Not quite the same, but if I am forced to provide you with the pen and paper to write it and you presented it in my house, I should be able to keep the paper on which you wrote it (or a copy of it) to use as I see fit. That does not prevent you as the writer from trying to sell copies yourself.

According to what case law?

[Jimmy Owen]

Not quite the same, but if I am forced to provide you with the pen and paper to write it and you presented it in my house, I should be able to keep the paper on which you wrote it (or a copy of it) to use as I see fit. That does not prevent you as the writer from trying to sell copies yourself.

According to what case law?

Well, Sony v. Universal made it totally legal to record broadcasts for time-shifting.  Of course, that was before Sony owned Columbia, so they may have changed their point of view.

[TLEberle]

Well, Sony v. Universal made it totally legal to record broadcasts for time-shifting.  Of course, that was before Sony owned Columbia, so they may have changed their point of view.

Huh?

[Jimmy Owen]

Well, Sony v. Universal made it totally legal to record broadcasts for time-shifting.  Of course, that was before Sony owned Columbia, so they may have changed their point of view.

Huh?

Look it up.

[TLEberle]

Well, Sony v. Universal made it totally legal to record broadcasts for time-shifting.  Of course, that was before Sony owned Columbia, so they may have changed their point of view.

Huh?

Look it up.

Right. The Betamax case. So what?

[Dbacksfan12]

I know it doesn't work that way, but it should.

Not quite the same, but if I am forced to provide you with the pen and paper to write it and you presented it in my house, I should be able to keep the paper on which you wrote it (or a copy of it) to use as I see fit. That does not prevent you as the writer from trying to sell copies yourself.

Well, Sony v. Universal made it totally legal to record broadcasts for time-shifting. Of course, that was before Sony owned Columbia, so they may have changed their point of view.

I think the solution is Jimmy needs to upgrade his phone.

[clemon79]

Right. The Betamax case. So what?

I believe Jimmy is saying that now that Sony has transformed from a mere consumer electronics company into a major content producer, their views on fair use may have changed.

How pertinent that is to the immediate discussion, I leave for everyone to decide for themselves.

[PYLdude]

Right. The Betamax case. So what?

I believe Jimmy is saying that now that Sony has transformed from a mere consumer electronics company into a major content producer, their views on fair use may have changed.

How pertinent that is to the immediate discussion, I leave for everyone to decide for themselves.

Don't forget there's other case law which appears to at least contradict Sony v. Universal a bit.

But yeah, open to interpretation.

[TLEberle]

I was watching Match Game a while ago, and all the goodwill that had been accumulating (Michael Burger is a good host, a few of the questions were decent) was pissed away at the hands of Judy Tenuta and Jerry Springer.

/$250 and a color television also was miles away from cutting it, too.