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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2003, 10:01:57 AM »
I don't think the idea of channel for game shows is dead, it's merely going to hibernate for now.

A spot on an analog cable lineup is precious not only to cable operators, but also to advertisers. That's really the reason for the change. Digital networks pop up all the time now and I still think that a game show diginet can and will succeed.

We just need someone to try it.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2003, 10:03:50 AM »
Thats all you guys needs. An American Challenge clone!

As for the past 6 months now the morning schedule has been sticking to the general Studio Game Shows like Brucies Price Is Right, Play Your Cards Right, Wheel Of Fortune and their original programming like TV Scrabble and Celebrity Addicts. While the afternoon slot (2-4pm) has been dedicated to Lifestyle shows like Better Homes, Life Doctor, Hot Property, all the crap shows which should be on the likes of UK Style. While in the evening its more Action and Adventure/Japanese shows with tiresome episodes of Takeshi's Castle, US Guinness World Records and recently new episodes of Fort Boyard. The UK currently have Casino type shows with Celebrity Poker Club, World Poker Tour (From ESPN) and recently Casino Casino which faces four contestants who must make the best stake from playing Blackjack and Roulette.

The plans for Christmas are showing a 6 Hour block of Japanese shows (22nd Dec-3rd Jan) with MORE Takeshi's Castle, a milked down version of Endurance and Iron Chef, and to rub it in as from next month there will be an hour of lifestyle shows between 8-9pm.

Honestly the ratings is doing okay but the channel is too much relying on Takeshi's Castle as its rarely that no other of Challenge's programming enters their top ten ratings.
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2003, 10:20:48 AM »
You know what? I'm not annoyed about this. At all. Now, I'm not one to get irked about a schedule change, because it's only TV after all, but this actually seems positive.

The possibilty Mark brought up a few weeks ago about GSN=AXN seemed crappy, but a "gaming channel" as such wouldn't be so bad.

Casino shows are cool, and the dating shows are...well I know dozens of people who like them, even if I don't.

The video games thing I could live without, but I think that appeals to a lot of people too.....but none of them seemed to be watching ;-)

What they appear to be heading for is a bunch of shows that appeal to a bunch of separate niches. And they'll probably be something there I'll like.

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2003, 10:56:57 AM »
Advertisers are only there if there are viewers.  They want to be on the shows that are being watched, and there has to be some turnover in audience if the message is to be acted on.  A long time ago, there was a show on CBS called "Mama," which, according to Wesley Hyatt's book on daytime TV "went off not due to low ratings, but because its sponsor Maxwell House learned that the same people had been watching for seven years and thus the show was not attracting any new buyers for Maxwell House products."  How many of us have purchased a Rascal Scooter lately?  The casino angle will probably keep the elderly folks who frequent casinos and attract younger "high rollers" attracted by the glamour.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2003, 11:36:41 AM »
[quote name=\'chuckwooleryfan\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 09:44 AM\'] I just got finished reading Steve Beverly's "All in the Game" column. And you know what? He brings up an excellent point. The sad truth about television executives is that they make these business decisions to please the advertisers. As hard as that may be to swallow, they are the prime target. Not us, the diehard fans of this genre. [/quote]
I can't say I'm a favorite of many in this group, and I risk further alienation by saying this, but: I completely agree.  In this day and age, viewers have no say in programming; we watch what advertsiers want us to watch.  And as long as Madison Avenue worships younger viewers and treats viewers 50 and over as if they have already died, the idea of an all-game show channel has gone the way of the DuMont network.  In a more prosperous economy, a new classic-based game show channel could succeed, but because of the times we live in, that concept just won't work anymore.

Believe it or not, the only reason my mom got a cable box is so she can get better reception on QVC.  Nowadays, she doesn't watch that channel anymore.  Now, if it wasn't for ESPN and the fact that my cable company is also my internet provider, I'd part ways with them and live with broadcast TV.  I'd love to get Boomerang and Nick GAS, but those two digital-tier-only channels alone are not worth an extra $40 a month, and I fear by the time I do get them, the shows I wanted to see be off the lineup for good.  By the time I got Cartoon Network, all of the classics save for Scooby-Doo and The Flintstones were relegated to Boomerang.  When I first heard about Noggin, a network half-owned by what was then Children's Television Workshop, I dreamed of seeing The Electric Company, 3-2-1 Contact, and Square One TV again.  Those dreams were dashed when Viacom bought out Sesame Workshop's share and turned it into a 24-hour Nick Jr.  By the time I talked my sister, who has a dish, into sending up GSN tapes, the Dark Period had already come and gone, and since then, The $25,000 and $100,000 Pyramids were the only Bob Stewart shows that ever had a regular place on the lineup.  When GSN finally came to my house in December 2000, Tic Tac Dough was gone, the B&W Sunday block was only one hour, and the only watchable original, Hollywood Showdown, was already on another channel (PAX).  I regret that my Card Sharks and Blockbusters collections and episode guides will never be complete, but I should be thankful just to see them again at all.  But every authority figure you talk to will say the past is past and it's time to move on.  In another time and place, all of these shows that I grew up with, that we grew up with, may come up again, but as long as Madison Avenue thumbs its collective nose at small niche groups like us, in the words of Don Henley, "those days are gone forever, I should just let them go".
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2003, 11:40:32 AM »
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 11:36 AM\'] When GSN finally came to my house in December 2000, Tic Tac Dough was gone [/quote]
 TTD was still on GSN in December 2000, but it was relegated to the Caldwell season on weekends only. You might remember Mike Klauss's legendary "Caldwell Files" website he did for part of GSN's run of Caldwell TTD.

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2003, 11:45:54 AM »
[quote name=\'chuckwooleryfan\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 07:44 AM\'] I just got finished reading Steve Beverly's "All in the Game" column. And you know what? He brings up an excellent point. The sad truth about television executives is that they make these business decisions to please the advertisers. As hard as that may be to swallow, they are the prime target. Not us, the diehard fans of this genre. [/quote]
 You say this like it's an original thought. There have been people here trying to get this point across for YEARS. But all of a sudden when the Almighty Perfesser says it, it's considered Great Wisdom. Sheesh.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2003, 12:32:21 PM »
So as an adult whose "brand identification" and "shopping preferences" are already set in stone (insert any additional marketing-babble you can think of here), TV now sees no need to target me at all.  So, what's left for me to watch?

Sports are getting difficult to watch (ESPN is turning everything into a music video), game shows are apparently dying out, and I refuse to watch anything reality-ish.

Should I just sit back and wait for the backlash to come along, or is it too late?
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2003, 01:22:50 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 11:45 AM\'] [quote name=\'chuckwooleryfan\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 07:44 AM\'] I just got finished reading Steve Beverly's "All in the Game" column. And you know what? He brings up an excellent point. The sad truth about television executives is that they make these business decisions to please the advertisers. As hard as that may be to swallow, they are the prime target. Not us, the diehard fans of this genre. [/quote]
You say this like it's an original thought. There have been people here trying to get this point across for YEARS. But all of a sudden when the Almighty Perfesser says it, it's considered Great Wisdom. Sheesh.
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There's probably a variety of factors that make them so much more important than us viewers.
Actually, there's really only one. It's green and it folds.
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If one of the executives were to actually base the network's direction on what WE thought, then it would've been a totally different story.
It also would have been a dead network many years ago. [/quote]
 
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Would that be the new spinach wrap at the Atari comissary?
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TTD was still on GSN in December 2000, but it was relegated to the Caldwell season on weekends only. You might remember Mike Klauss's legendary "Caldwell Files" website he did for part of GSN's run of Caldwell TTD.
Yeah, so?  You don't have to point out your in-depth knowledge of the genre every time someone makes a comment.  TJW was on GSN in 1998. (I can now expect him to tell me which run and in what time slot it aired)
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Should I just sit back and wait for the backlash to come along, or is it too late?
Too late.  The media has decided you are worthless.
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I posted this in the GSN Forums, and I thought this was so good, I figured I'd share it over here too, with a couple added thoughts:
Right, because the posters at the GSN are the most valid posters in the world.

Just some thoughts, take them for what they are worth.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2003, 01:38:45 PM »
Guess this explains why they're blowing through the new episodes of Lingo so fast! :-)

I definitely enjoyed the ride while it lasted (even though I only got GSN back in Sept of last year).  I'm definitely disappointed, but I'll definitely anticipate what this new network has to offer.   And I'm not going to give up on the fact that these shows that GSN is giving up may reappear on another network at some time.  

I look at it this way... When Trio started airing Battle of the Network Stars, people got excited because it was a show that hadn't been seen in a long time and was airing on a network that didn't usually air game show fare.  Same with Queen For A Day.  Taking a break from the "game shows all play all day" may just be what the doctor ordered so that when these shows do start appearing elsewhere, they'll be appreciated more and be a privilege rather than an expectation.

Rob
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2003, 02:08:38 PM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 10:56 AM\']A long time ago, there was a show on CBS called "Mama," which, according to Wesley Hyatt's book on daytime TV "went off not due to low ratings, but because its sponsor Maxwell House learned that the same people had been watching for seven years and thus the show was not attracting any new buyers for Maxwell House products."[/quote]
Just curious, but Mr. Owen's bringing this up got me wondering:  have there been any other shows at all in the past, that went off due to circumstances like this?

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2003, 02:18:01 PM »
I think that was a pretty stupid move on their part.

One, not very many people are into reality programming

Two, it doesn't fit on a Game Show Network like GSN

And three, neither did the GSN Video Games show.

So, I call this "GSN Does the Darndest Things to make viewers unhappy."

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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2003, 02:23:26 PM »
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Dec 15 2003, 02:18 PM\'] I think that was a pretty stupid move on their part.

One, not very many people are into reality programming

Two, it doesn't fit on a Game Show Network like GSN

And three, neither did the GSN Video Games show.

So, I call this "GSN Does the Darndest Things to make viewers unhappy." [/quote]
 Let's break this down bit by bit.

1.  "People aren't into reality programming"?  Then why do networks churn out reality show upon reality show?  Why has Survivor gone through 7 different series?  Why did anybody give a darn about Trista's wedding?

2 and 3.  Just like dating shows and The Real World don't fit on Music Television.

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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2003, 02:26:19 PM »
And, from the Self-Promotion Department, tvgameshows.net writes:
"TVgameshows.net has requested a phone hookup with Cronin this week."

SB: "Hello, is Rich there?"
Secretary: "Who's calling, please?"
SB: "This is TVgameshows.net!"
Secretary: "And you are..."
SB: "This is TVgameshows.net!"
Secretary: "I'll tell him you called."
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2003, 02:43:04 PM »
Too bad, really.  I don't watch GSN much anymore as I no longer get it myself and only have access to it when I visit my mother, but I enjoyed it.  I was also hoping to see the later 1985 and 1986 episodes of PYL.  But such is life.

It'd be hard for me to totally speculate on GSN's motivations without seeing the last year's worth of ratings.  I was under the impression they were better.  I also thought that the video game block did not do well.  It's going to take quite a marketing effort and some remarkable programming to compete with the established G4.

I'm wondering what will happen to the bulletin boards over there (I haven't been over there yet to see if anything's been said about it).  Additionally, I sure hope you all continue to maintain this forum.  I like it here.  =)

I have a feeling, though, that we haven't seen the last of Mr. Boden.  Maybe he will re-emerge as the programming director or some other high position on another network, and bring game shows in some fashion back.  Or perhaps he will develop another very cool game show.  Time will tell.