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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 02:32:03 PM »

I was hoping we\'d stop giving this site any credibility after the debacle at the http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?showtopic=24405\'>beginning of the year.



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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2013, 03:22:07 PM »

I stand with Chad.


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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 10:18:48 PM »
This is yet another issue I have with GSG. This should\'ve been one of the very first inductions he made. Not an obscure answer from a Match Game episode six people saw, a Canadian series no one heard of, or any of the various filler inductions that comprise 60% of the GSG dossier.


Seidelman would\'ve benefitted from taking an example from his inspiration. If there\'s something you have to stretch out to justify including it on a hall of shame site chances are it isn\'t worth it. See also Matthew Gregg, James Rolfe, and certain members of Something Awful.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 02:41:54 AM »
He doesn\'t need to take an example from his inspiration; he needs to learn how to write an explanatory piece. It is bad enough that he doesn\'t have the comedic chops or timing to carry this sort of thing off without making it look like he\'s the Comic Book Guy looking down his nose at something, but he\'s just not all that competent with the language. This was the case 15 years ago when we were both on the same message board, and it hasn\'t changed.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 09:48:21 AM »

Taking the high road as best as I can.  I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism -- as long as there\'s plenty of fact to back up the criticism.


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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 11:18:05 AM »


I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism




 


Except this concept isn\'t supposed to be about criticism; it\'s supposed to be about comedy. That you interpret it as the former throws into sharp relief how much he fails at the latter.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 11:46:49 AM »

Taking the high road as best as I can.  I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism -- as long as there\'s plenty of fact to back up the criticism.

But any criticism doesn\'t fall back on fact, it falls back on opinion. I think NBC game shows are largely crap because reasons A, B and C which are all things I don\'t like. Why don\'t I like them? Because I\'d prefer something else. Why would I prefer something else? Because I think it would be better.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 08:49:38 PM »



I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism


 

Except this concept isn\'t supposed to be about criticism; it\'s supposed to be about comedy. That you interpret it as the former throws into sharp relief how much he fails at the latter.



As someone who was part of the group that brought GSG about (not being snarky-trust me), I can testify to the fact that despite the bad comedic timing the site is largely about criticism. Has been since day one.


The obscurities are what kill the site first. His writing style, which has not improved sadly since he started the site, is the secondary killer. The comedic timing is third.


Where Rob failed the most is the inability to take constructive criticism. People were telling him what he wanted to hear. I was the only person who told him what he needed to hear and volunteered to help saying I would take some of the writing responsibility off his hands do he could focus on building the site. Could I have done better? Who knows.


The problem is that there are a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Rob because they\'re concerned over his mental state and that he might harm himself. But sometimes you have to overlook that.


Like in the following instance. Rob hosted a wrestling-centric talker on Fridays. I did participate in the early episodes but found one of his cohosts to be quite unbearable. Things came to a head when I stated an opinion on something and this person not only dismissed me but went after my level of intelligence about things compared to theirs. I disconnected immediately after that and told Rob I was going to be damned if I was going to have my mental capacity questioned by someone who doesn\'t know me.


I never forgot it either and that was a large part of the reason why my relationship with him and a few others became fractured. But that\'s how Rob is- he\'s very naive and manipulative.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2013, 09:08:31 PM »

The problem is that there are a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Rob because they\'re concerned over his mental state and that he might harm himself. But sometimes you have to overlook that.

I don\'t give a damn about his mental state and if he\'ll harm himself; I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.

He\'s a terrible writer writing terrible stuff. The rest of the stuff is ancillary.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 09:19:31 PM »

For the first time ever, I wished I had been the producer of that mess so I could tell Mr. Seidelman where to stick it. And I thought the show blew.


 


There\'s criticism, there\'s bashing, there\'s the MST3K treatment, then there\'s just going off the deep end and talking out your ass. Guess which category this dude falls into?


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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 09:21:43 PM »

As someone who was part of the group that brought GSG about (not being snarky-trust me), I can testify to the fact that despite the bad comedic timing the site is largely about criticism. Has been since day one.

 
Then he utterly missed the point. 

I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.


But that\'s just foolish. I\'d do it for free. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 09:47:03 PM »


The problem is that there are a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Rob because they\'re concerned over his mental state and that he might harm himself. But sometimes you have to overlook that.

I don\'t give a damn about his mental state and if he\'ll harm himself; I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.


He\'s a terrible writer writing terrible stuff. The rest of the stuff is ancillary.



And therein lies my point again. No one wants to tell him that.


See Travis, you and I can see through it all. You had your stake, and I tried my best to help the kid. It didn\'t work and the people next to him didn\'t see that until it was way too late. I know some people weren\'t happy with the \"true colors\" statement I made last week but the whole rigamarole including GSG was the reasoning. It cost me a few things but the biggest thing was a friendship and that still bothers me to this day because you\'d like to think that the older you get, the more you get past not being able to trust people.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 10:49:47 PM »

But – uh – back to SuperMatch93\'s point TDB\'s induction into GSG is long overdue. That\'s a point I 100% agree with.


 


Seidelman has been known to induct based on themes. TDB just concluded a series of kids\' game show inductions. He had a previous series of kid show inductions – and I\'m guesstimating that was about a year or so ago. Should\'ve inducted TDB then.


 


It is here I should disclose I provided a dose of analysis to his induction of “Shopper\'s Casino” – which, for my money, still remains the worst game show ever with TDB an extremely close second. The graphics package that the technology of 2004 provided, even if it turned out ugly on the air, and TDB\'s “attempt” to be an educational show get the admittedly unfair advantage in my book over SC.


 


Further, a link to GSG still exists on my website – even after a certain controversial induction we\'d rather not relive. I seriously considered removing the link after that induction. But that would be censorship.


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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 10:52:50 PM »

I seriously considered removing the link after that induction. But that would be censorship.



 


http://stevelutz.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sminigo1.jpg\'>Censorship? Are you serious?


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