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« on: January 17, 2004, 05:59:12 PM »
No less than four cable networks are currently airing poker shows. i wonder if GSN had ever given consideration to doing one of their own, rather than the risky proposition of the much less interesting game of blackjack?

Seems like they could've put together a show of non-professional contestants (punk rockers! grannies! smell the confrontation!) playing for a stack o' real money and it could've been made interesting.

Blackjack may or may not work; poker seems to be a sure thing...and clearly no one network owns the exclusive cable rights to the game.

Just thinking aloud.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2004, 06:14:08 PM »
The Travel Channel has aired a one hour summary of a $1M blackjack tournament a few times the past month.  Watching the highlights of that tournament was the equivalent of watching paint dry.  The psychological aspect of poker isn't there with blackjack since everybody's trying to beat the dealer, not trying to outwit, outdraw, or outbet an opponent.  (The end of the last sentence sounds like a good slogan if there's ever a Survivor:  High End Tables at the Bellagio series.)

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2004, 06:33:44 PM »
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The Travel Channel has aired a one hour summary of a $1M blackjack tournament a few times the past month. Watching the highlights of that tournament was the equivalent of watching paint dry.
This used to be a running joke at Goodson-Todman: a game show where the audience watches other people sitting around playing (insert name of game with zero audience play-along). That's why there was Gambit instead of real Blackjack and TV Scrabble (really a variation of Hangman) instead of real Scrabble. Poker may be a limited exception to this notion but it doesn't have the same feel as, say, FF by a long shot.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2004, 07:35:42 PM »
Blackjack could work. Other than Gambit, who could forget Top Card?

As for Poker, that could work, too. I like both games, as they are both easy to play, easy to win, and easy to lose.

Speaking of Poker, who could forget Pay Cards/Super Pay Cards?
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2004, 08:09:03 PM »
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 07:35 PM\'] Blackjack could work. Other than Gambit, who could forget Top Card?

As for Poker, that could work, too. I like both games, as they are both easy to play, easy to win, and easy to lose.

Speaking of Poker, who could forget Pay Cards/Super Pay Cards? [/quote]
Again, the point was already made that all of these shows are not just plain blackjack or poker.

Blackjack is a horrifically painful spectator sport to watch.  But hey, GSN knows what they are doing (heh).

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2004, 08:24:08 PM »
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 07:09 PM\'] Blackjack is a horrifically painful spectator sport to watch.

Brandon Brooks [/quote]
 It is?

The only thing I find horrible is when someone bets a lot, and BUSTS (Goes over 21, for those who don't know your Blackjack lingo)!

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2004, 09:08:39 PM »
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 07:09 PM\'] Blackjack is a horrifically painful spectator sport to watch.

Brandon Brooks [/quote]
It is?
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 Poker is a game of bluffing, and a good bluffer makes watching the game suspenseful. I don't know too much bluffing someone could do with blackjack...you either hit or stand, rinse and repeat. Involving it with a game show element is cool, because of the strategy, but watching someone play straight blackjack is not as engaging.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2004, 10:01:01 PM »
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 05:35 PM\'] Blackjack could work. Other than Gambit, who could forget Top Card?

As for Poker, that could work, too. I like both games, as they are both easy to play, easy to win, and easy to lose.

Speaking of Poker, who could forget Pay Cards/Super Pay Cards? [/quote]
 Did you even READ Chris's post above yours?

The reason Gambit and Top Card made air is because the artificial aspects of playing against another person were introduced into the game.

Actually, Brandon just said all of this, so I'll move on to your argument that watching straight blackjack on TV might be entertaining:

If it's your bag, great. But the game of blackjack not only involves NO human interaction, you could program a machine to do it.

Would you watch a guy play video blackjack for an hour? Just sitting there, pressing the hit and stand buttons, for the same money? Do you REALLY find that exciting?

If so, I dun wanna party with you. I don't think my heart could handle the excitement when the regular Oreos got put away and the Double-Stuf ones came out. Whoo, doggie.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2004, 11:24:10 PM »
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 06:14 PM\'] The Travel Channel has aired a one hour summary of a $1M blackjack tournament a few times the past month.  Watching the highlights of that tournament was the equivalent of watching paint dry.  The psychological aspect of poker isn't there with blackjack since everybody's trying to beat the dealer, not trying to outwit, outdraw, or outbet an opponent. [/quote]
 I'm one of the few players here that actually prefers playing blackjack to poker, so as with many things with me, my opinions are quite jaded. I play lots of blackjack at the casinos (I bet upwards of $25-50 per hand and not break out in a sweat doing so), and there are things about it I like, besides of course winning money.

But remember, these televised blackjack games are coverage of tournaments (as opposed to ordinary games), where the players are at the table are indeed trying to outwit and outbet each other, since after all, the player with the highest total at the end of the round advances. That's when you get into betting strategy and the possibility of big catch-ups when the chips are down. The poker series on ESPN and Bravo have worked because you're following along with the players and their bankrolls and strategies. Blackjack might work also, although to what degree is still uncertain. Blackjack seems to go at a faster pace than poker with more hands dealt out. And of course there's more to blackjack than hitting and standing; there's doubling, splitting, and in some cases, surrendering. If this blackjack series is going to be set up like a tournament, then it just might get an audience.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2004, 12:18:43 AM »
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 07:09 PM\'] Blackjack is a horrifically painful spectator sport to watch.

Brandon Brooks [/quote]
It is?

The only thing I find horrible is when someone bets a lot, and BUSTS (Goes over 21, for those who don't know your Blackjack lingo)! [/quote]
 I find it ironic that you take us for idiots.

Obviously, you've never been to a casino.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2004, 12:22:17 AM »
[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 11:18 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 17 2004, 07:09 PM\'] Blackjack is a horrifically painful spectator sport to watch.

Brandon Brooks [/quote]
It is?

The only thing I find horrible is when someone bets a lot, and BUSTS (Goes over 21, for those who don't know your Blackjack lingo)! [/quote]
I find it ironic that you take us for idiots.

Obviously, you've never been to a casino. [/quote]
I HAVE been to a casino, Don. And in no way, am I taking you guys for idiots.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2004, 01:00:29 AM »
No one is saying that Blackjack isn't fun to play (at least, I haven't seen anyone say that). The idea is that some believe it isn't fun to watch and I'd have to agree here. The only reason GSN picked Blackjack is because other channels beat them to the figurative poker table and anted up. GSN wants a flagship gaming show and this is what they feel could be it.

And GSN will own Blackjack, if only because no other channel wants it.

They should have picked up my pilot idea for Celebrity Slot Pull which features attractive, scantily clad celebs playing slots for an hour to electronica.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2004, 02:44:38 AM »
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I don't think my heart could handle the excitement when the regular Oreos got put away and the Double-Stuf ones came out.
Too many Oreos make you see Whammies where none exist (it's all that sugar).

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2004, 03:02:47 AM »
Well, if no one watches the show for the competition aspect, I would hope that the commentators would pick up on the player's decisions on his cards. It's a nice way to learn basic strategy, at least.

Perhaps if they can get blackjack experts like Arnold Snyder and Anthony Curtis as color commentators to give more insight. Who knows. I would hope that the commentators would know basic strategy inside out, so that they can explain to the viewers why the player is doubling his soft 17 versus the dealer's 6. In turn that would give the viewers some pointers on blackjack basic strategy... Always split Aces and 8's but never 5's and 10's; never take insurance, even if you have a blackjack; stand on a hard 16 versus the dealer's 2 through 6 (otherwise hit); and so on.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2004, 03:11:02 AM »
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GSN wants a flagship gaming show and this is what they feel could be it. And GSN will own Blackjack, if only because no other channel wants it.
See, television has been around for over half a century. Blackjack has been around much longer than that. Think there could be a REASON TV Blackjack has never taken off in that half century?
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