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tvrandywest

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2004, 07:29:09 PM »
[quote name=\'nbuckler14\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 03:58 PM\'] Wow, who knew Randy West had a dirty mind? lol [/quote]
Indecency is in the ear and eye of the beholder   ;-p


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Thanks, so am I!!   ;-))
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This is Randy West speaking for The Price is Right, a Mark Goodson, television production!

But here's how it looks in the script:
"This is Randy West speaking for The Price Is Right... a Mark Goodson (pause) television production."

The show loves punctuating with ellipses... (three periods)... they're everywhere in the scripts. The pause and the word "television" were added to all scripts at Mr. Goodson's request in memory of Bill Todman. Adding the extra word allowed for a cadence that is similar in reading to when Bill Todman's name followed Goodson's.


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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2004, 10:20:30 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 10:27 AM\']…I've since worn out the pantyhose!!


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Aha! Even game show announcers need to get in touch with their feminine side sometimes! :)

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But here's how it looks in the script:
"This is Randy West speaking for The Price Is Right... a Mark Goodson (pause) television production."

The show loves punctuating with ellipses... (three periods)... they're everywhere in the scripts. The pause and the word "television" were added to all scripts at Mr. Goodson's request in memory of Bill Todman. Adding the extra word allowed for a cadence that is similar in reading to when Bill Todman's name followed Goodson's.

Ah, but you don't follow everything in the script, which is actually a good thing.

For example, you say "here's the star of The Price is Right" instead of "here is the star of The Price is Right" (the scripted line), which brings an element back from Johnny O's way of announcing the opening.

Also, there's the "and" that you (as well as Johnny, Rod, and even Burton more recently) add in the opening before the fourth contestant's name, which is not in the script (as we've experienced with Art, Daniel, and Paul, who strictly go by the script).
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2004, 02:33:57 AM »
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 07:20 PM\']Ah, but you don't follow everything in the script, which is actually a good thing.

For example, you say "here's the star of The Price is Right" instead of "here is the star of The Price is Right" (the scripted line), which brings an element back from Johnny O's way of announcing the opening.

Also, there's the "and" that you (as well as Johnny, Rod, and even Burton more recently) add in the opening before the fourth contestant's name, which is not in the script (as we've experienced with Art, Daniel, and Paul, who strictly go by the script).[/quote]
Shakepeare should be performed as written. I still see the announcer at "Price" as the role was first created by Johnny O and faithfully perpetuated by Rod. My relationship with Johnny gave me insight into how the role developed and how it was first envisioned. I never thought any of this would become useful so many years later.

Got a few minutes? Unlike the scripted and formal delivery of the announcer in early radio programs whose delivery was detatched and impersonal, Johnny always played it loose, informal, conversational and spontaneously. Unlike the earlier era of broadcasting where the off-stage announcer might be across the room or even behind glass pontificating in that old, artificial and distant style that is lampooned so well by Gary Owens when he cups his hand to his ear, Johnny saw his role as an active participant in the middle of the fun. That approach shaped everything Johnny did... style, content and delivery. That is how he played the announcer role on "Price", and I think that is a big part of why both Johnny and that role have been so endearing and enduring.

But I was surprised to learn that John was adlibbing much more than simply the hand-offs and interplay between he and Bob.

A few months after Johnny's death, on my first return visit to the set, I had the chance to talk with Frank Wayne about Johnny. Although Frank recognized me as having been to the show as Johnny's guest, I don't think he was exaggerating for my benefit when he spoke of John and how his death impacted the staff and the show. Among the things Frank told me was that he actually had to go back over tapes of the show to transcribe the transitional phrases Johnny had been using for years. Frank said many had never been in the script! He was talking about all that "If you'd like to see The Price Is Right in person...",  and "Now here's Bob Barker with our Showcase Showdown" stuff.

I returned home and looked at one of the old scripts that Johnny had given me so that I could practice reading copy. Damn if it wasn't true! As one example, immediately following the page with the consolation prize copy (the "contestants not appearing on stage" fee plugs) was simply a page with the words "Showcase Showdown" handwritten. That transition line ("and now here's Bob Barker with our Showcase Showdown") was completely a Johnny creation as he apparently felt that, as he envisioned his role, he should make such a transition. Surely, like so many other prize reads in the show, Johnny could have ended cold at the end of the plug.

Johnny brought those kinds of touches to the show as a result of having a specific vision of how his "character" fit into the big picture. It's classic acting theory.

Given the unpredictable opportunity to voice that show so many years later, I purposely carry with me what I know of how Johnny envisioned the role. No, I would never presume to start making up new lines. But I can't help but feel I'm best serving the show by trying to recapture the spirit with which John created that character.

And yes, just a drop of it is my personal homage to a mentor who encouraged me over the many years when everyone else in my life thought I was nuts to pursue my fascination with broadcasting. I'm forever indebted and have wished many times that I could say "thanks" face-to-face.


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« Last Edit: February 12, 2004, 02:36:18 AM by tvrandywest »
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2004, 10:16:18 AM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 03:33 AM\'] Unlike the earlier era of broadcasting where the off-stage announcer might be across the room or even behind glass pontificating in that old, artificial and distant style that is lampooned so well by Gary Owens when he cups his hand to his ear, [/quote]
 Perpetuated today by John Kramer, as anyone who attended a taping of Pyramid knows.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2004, 10:51:02 AM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 02:33 AM\'] I returned home and looked at one of the old scripts that Johnny had given me so that I could practice reading copy. Damn if it wasn't true! As one example, immediately following the page with the consolation prize copy (the "contestants not appearing on stage" fee plugs) was simply a page with the words "Showcase Showdown" handwritten. That transition line ("and now here's Bob Barker with our Showcase Showdown") was completely a Johnny creation as he apparently felt that, as he envisioned his role, he should make such a transition. Surely, like so many other prize reads in the show, Johnny could have ended cold at the end of the plug. [/quote]
 Hmm...that's something interesting. Randy, are those transitions written in the scripts *now*?

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2004, 11:07:03 AM »
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 07:16 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 03:33 AM\'] Unlike the earlier era of broadcasting where the off-stage announcer might be across the room or even behind glass pontificating in that old, artificial and distant style that is lampooned so well by Gary Owens when he cups his hand to his ear, [/quote]
Perpetuated today by John Kramer, as anyone who attended a taping of Pyramid knows.
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Bada BING!

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Hmm...that's something interesting. Randy, are those transitions written in the scripts *now*?
Yes Tommy. All those little goodies that ALL of the rotating announcers are saying have been in the script for years. Amazingly, that includes even the "OK Bob" after the ticket plug and the "There they are Bob" after the prize descriptions for some of the games. They all started as "Johnny-isms".  ;-)


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« Last Edit: February 12, 2004, 11:23:24 AM by tvrandywest »
The story behind the voice you know and love... the voice of a generation of game shows: Johnny Olson!

Celebrate the centennial of the America's favorite announcer with "Johnny Olson: A Voice in Time."

Preview the book free: click "Johnny O Tribute" http://www.tvrandywest.com

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2004, 11:22:32 AM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 02:33 AM\']

I returned home and looked at one of the old scripts that Johnny had given me so that I could practice reading copy. Damn if it wasn't true! As one example, immediately following the page with the consolation prize copy (the "contestants not appearing on stage" fee plugs) was simply a page with the words "Showcase Showdown" handwritten. That transition line ("and now here's Bob Barker with our Showcase Showdown") was completely a Johnny creation as he apparently felt that, as he envisioned his role, he should make such a transition. Surely, like so many other prize reads in the show, Johnny could have ended cold at the end of the plug.
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 Randy, that was the most interesting post I've read here in a long time. Thank you so much for sharing that with us.

You also raise a question...

From what I know now about Johnny, would it be safe to assume his introduction back to Gene after the product plugs on MG were non-scripted too (i.e. "Ho ho ho, on with the show, and our star, Gene Rayburn")?

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2004, 12:11:41 PM »
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 08:22 AM\'] From what I know now about Johnny, would it be safe to assume his introduction back to Gene after the product plugs on MG were non-scripted too (i.e. "Ho ho ho, on with the show, and our star, Gene Rayburn")? [/quote]
Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind at all.

Johnny did a lot of that kind of stuff and I think all those little touches, as cliched or corny as some have now become so many years later, were part of his charm and added to the show.

I know first hand how much they added to "Price". The staging is so complex that without adding the occasional adjective ("exciting" or "fabulous"), or phrase ("Coming around on the turntable is..." or "moving on to..." during a string of small item descriptions) you end up with dead silence after Bob cues the announcer and before the stage crew reveals a prize or a cameraman gets his shot. Former radio people usually find silence most uncomfortable. I like how Johnny filled those tiny moments; his innate sense for flow and pacing were part of his magic.

A valid argument can be made that a couple of beats of silence at those tiny moments is not a problem, or even builds a bit of suspense. The same is true with a feeling for how long after a prize's reveal you start talking about it. It's all just a matter of opinion, and how an announcer feels about it manifests itself as his style. To that latter point, while everyone agrees that the announcer shouldn't "tip a reveal" by mentioning a prize before it's seen, I also think you can't lag too far behind the reveals. As a result I've dropped entire phrases (never any sponsor copy or necessary information) during showcases because doors have started opening!

While it ain't brain surgery, the job is more than simply "reading aloud". I love the adrenalin rush from having to instantaneously make these kinds of judgements and adjustments from simultaneously looking at both the script and a monitor, while reading and also listening to the director throwing cues at me and at the stage crew. It's especially sweet on a show like "Price" where you're working without a net - they just plain don't stop tape for the announcer to get a second take!

By the way Aaron, I'm willing to bet that the words "Ho ho ho, on with the show" NEVER appeared in ANY game show script!   ;-)


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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2004, 12:14:09 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 12:11 PM\']

By the way Aaron, I'm willing to bet that the words "Ho ho ho, on with the show" NEVER appeared in ANY game show script!   ;-)

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 It leads me to wonder, though -

Just as the "showcase showdown" line was Johnny's, I wonder if this line that I spoke of ("ho ho ho..") was one that was said all the time, or if he just made it up as he went along.....

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2004, 01:30:26 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 12:11 PM\'] By the way Aaron, I'm willing to bet that the words "Ho ho ho, on with the show" NEVER appeared in ANY game show script!   ;-)
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 Except on the Playboy Channel game shows. :-)

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2004, 04:45:50 PM »
When he was doing "Mindreaders," Johnny O did something I had not heard him do on other shows--he would start out the ticket plug or a fee plug with "friends..." (as in "Thank you, Dick!...Friends, if you'd like to see 'Mindreaders' in person...").  Was that his own extremely subtle reference to how awful the show was--that he felt like a minister officiating at a funeral?

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2004, 06:18:59 PM »
Randy -

I saw the vote for announcer on cbs.com... just wanted to tell you that I voted for you a "lucky seven" times.

When I get around it to it... maybe I can vote for you with more TPIR number... say the Plinko total? ;)

Cheers,

Ryan :)

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2004, 06:44:37 PM »
I've always wanted to see Randy make some off-the-cuff comment like Johnny used to do occasionally. For example, during the Yolanda incident, Johnny commented "Bob, They have given their ALL for you!"

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2004, 07:43:30 PM »
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 06:44 PM\'] I've always wanted to see Randy make some off-the-cuff comment like Johnny used to do occasionally. For example, during the Yolanda incident, Johnny commented "Bob, They have given their ALL for you!" [/quote]
 I remember one episode of TPiR when they played That's Too Much and they had a Ford Escape and Bob got Randy to repeat it and he said "It's a Ford Escape Bob."  and Bob said, "Spell it" and Randy said, "E-S-C-A-P-E"  I thought it was funny, do you remember that Randy?
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2004, 09:45:30 PM »
[quote name=\'nbuckler14\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 05:43 PM\'] I remember one episode of TPiR when they played That's Too Much and they had a Ford Escape and Bob got Randy to repeat it and he said "It's a Ford Escape Bob."  and Bob said, "Spell it" and Randy said, "E-S-C-A-P-E"  I thought it was funny, do you remember that Randy? [/quote]
 Yeah, um, that's high comedy.
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