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AH3RD

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« on: April 04, 2004, 03:48:54 PM »
APRIL 5, 1971


An updated version of the 1961-1967 CBS Daytime war of the words, hosted by The Professor Of Game Show Emcees, Allen Ludden, best known as Password, had its premiere at 4 P.M. (EDT) on ABC Television (replacing its six-year-old Gothic soap opera with a huge cult status, Dark Shadows). It was the latest in a spate of retreads of old Mark Goodson-Bill Todman games (e.g. What’s My Line?, To Tell The Truth, The New Beat The Clock, The New Price Is Right and Match Game 73). Here, new rules allowed a contestant to stay on the show as long as five days as long as he or she continued winning, and the winning team played the "Betting Word" after the "Lightning Round", wherein a contestant was offered a chance to risk any or all winnings on the ability to get his/her celeb partner to say the word in 15 seconds thereby doubling the bet. Another new twist added to ABC's Password was a Tournament of Champions, done to a small degree in the original '60s CBS version, in which the winner would return the next week to face the previous year's grand champion in a best-of-seven playoff for $10,000!

Elizabeth Montgomery (Bewitched) and Bill Bixby (The Courtship Of Eddie's Father) launched the premiere week. Native Californian Judy Spicer, decked out in lavender 1971 hot pants, drew whistles on every partner change and rolled up $2,400 before retiring at the end of the first week undefeated. ABC's Password was popular enough to inspire a December 1, 1971 episode of The Odd Couple (ABC, 1970-75), in which Mr. & Mrs. Password, Allen and Betty White Ludden appear as themselves, and Felix Unger (Tony Randall) and Oscar Madison (Jack Klugman) become contestants on Password, but they don't seem to make a very good team. (Note: The Password set in the episode was a mere mock-up which did not take after the actual Password set for it was taped in Los Angeles whilst The Odd Couple was situated in New York City.) Betty White and Let's Make A Deal host Monty Hall guest-emceed on separate occasions when Allen Ludden appeared as a panelist.

After a couple of years, the old format had begun to stagnate, and on November 18, 1974, Password All-Stars, with only celebrities playing for charity, commenced. The main game now had a new "double" rule (a player was given the choice of going for double points by trying to get his/her teammate to say the password on one clue) and before the main game was a new jump-in elimination round. Replacing The Lightning Round was a new 20/20 Password Round, which added points to a celebrity's total. But like the old saying "too many cooks spoil the broth," too many stars spoil the game, and contestants were reinstated in yet another revamped edition of Password on February 24, 1975. The elimination round played before the main game and the "double" rule remained, only now a 3-step lightning round was used in the bonus game. Nothing worked, however, and the show was dropped on June 27 to make way for the Bobby Van-hosted Showoffs, another Goodson-Todman game. An approximate total of 1,099 episodes were produced for Password. Happily, shortly thereafter, Allen Ludden was awarded an Emmy for Outstanding Game Show Host for Password (his only one!), just as Password itself won an Emmy for Best Game/Audience Participation Show.

Password currently has the biggest profile on Game Show Network (now known as GSN), with continuous repeats of the original 1966-67 color CBS Daytime (and 1962-65 B&W CBS Primetime) edition, and periodical runs of the 1979-82 (Password+Plus) and 1984-89 NBC Daytime editions (Super Password). Unfortunately, the 1,099 episodes of the '71-75 ABC Daytime version (along with the B&W CBS daytime edition) aren't in this rotation, as ABC, in a sort of "recycling" endeavor, erased the videotapes containing them for reuse (undoubtedly for the purpose of recording later Goodson-Todman games for The Alphabet Network, namely Family Feud and The Better Sex). As a tragic consequence of this, a few surviving copies of ABC's Password ever exist anymore: 8 prints in the UCLA Film & TV Archives (including one on the Friday of the premiere week!), 3 copies in the trading circuit (one Password All-Stars and 2 episodes of the original run, including the finale), and I'm not sure, but The Museum Of Television & Radio may have a handful, too. (Why Goodson-Todman never bothered to make spare copies for the network [to air and dispose of as they saw fit] and keep originals for themselves is a mystery to me...)

(Info gleaned from my own ABC Password Page.)
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2004, 06:56:33 PM »
[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 02:48 PM\'] Password currently has the biggest profile on Game Show Network (now known as GSN), with continuous repeats of the original 1966-67 color CBS Daytime edition [/quote]
 Are you receiving a different GSN signal than I am?

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2004, 11:07:08 PM »
[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 02:48 PM\']
Elizabeth Montgomery (Bewitched) and Bill Bixby (The Courtship Of Eddie's Father) launched the premiere week. Native Californian Judy Spicer, decked out in lavender 1971 hot pants, drew whistles on every partner change and rolled up $2,400 before retiring at the end of the first week undefeated. [/quote]
 How much were they playing for? Was it the same $200 for the game, $50 a word in the Lightning Round as on CBS?

Also, does anyone remember how well the Betting Word worked--did contestants always shoot the works, or was there good variety with the betting?

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2004, 11:34:54 PM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 03:56 PM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 02:48 PM\'] Password currently has the biggest profile on Game Show Network (now known as GSN), with continuous repeats of the original 1966-67 color CBS Daytime edition [/quote]
Are you receiving a different GSN signal than I am? [/quote]
 I think he means "as opposed to other cable channels."
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2004, 01:13:21 AM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 10:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 03:56 PM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 02:48 PM\'] Password currently has the biggest profile on Game Show Network (now known as GSN), with continuous repeats of the original 1966-67 color CBS Daytime edition [/quote]
Are you receiving a different GSN signal than I am? [/quote]
I think he means "as opposed to other cable channels." [/quote]
 I interpreted that as "the original compared to the other versions", but what you said makes more sense.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2004, 10:41:34 AM »
[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 10:07 PM\'] How much were they playing for? Was it the same $200 for the game, $50 a word in the Lightning Round as on CBS?
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 I think the Lightning Round was broken up into 3 parts...

Part one: $5/word, $5 for each remaining second (i.e. 3 words=$15, 15 seconds remaining=$75, $90 total)

Part two: money made in part one/word ($90), $10 for each remaining sec.

Part three: 10 times whatever was made in part two.

My dollar figures might be off, so someone feel free to correct me, and I know it's 1971 dollars, but $2,400 for 5 days seems very cheap, even if you inflate the dollar figures to 2004.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2004, 11:10:09 AM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 09:41 AM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 10:07 PM\'] How much were they playing for? Was it the same $200 for the game, $50 a word in the Lightning Round as on CBS?
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I think the Lightning Round was broken up into 3 parts...

Part one: $5/word, $5 for each remaining second (i.e. 3 words=$15, 15 seconds remaining=$75, $90 total)

Part two: money made in part one/word ($90), $10 for each remaining sec.

Part three: 10 times whatever was made in part two.

My dollar figures might be off, so someone feel free to correct me, and I know it's 1971 dollars, but $2,400 for 5 days seems very cheap, even if you inflate the dollar figures to 2004. [/quote]
 I think you're describing the format for the revised contestant/celeb format in 1975(post-All Stars). The payout structure early in the ABC run was what it was on the CBS run IIRC.

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2004, 11:27:55 AM »
I've realized he's C&P some of this from his website, and may not have updated it since the programming changes.

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2004, 12:14:31 PM »
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 10:10 AM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 09:41 AM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 10:07 PM\'] How much were they playing for? Was it the same $200 for the game, $50 a word in the Lightning Round as on CBS?
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I think the Lightning Round was broken up into 3 parts...

Part one: $5/word, $5 for each remaining second (i.e. 3 words=$15, 15 seconds remaining=$75, $90 total)

Part two: money made in part one/word ($90), $10 for each remaining sec.

Part three: 10 times whatever was made in part two.

My dollar figures might be off, so someone feel free to correct me, and I know it's 1971 dollars, but $2,400 for 5 days seems very cheap, even if you inflate the dollar figures to 2004. [/quote]
I think you're describing the format for the revised contestant/celeb format in 1975(post-All Stars). The payout structure early in the ABC run was what it was on the CBS run IIRC. [/quote]
 There's some audio files of a few bonus rounds on The Bewitched Page.  It was $100 per word up to five, and then the betting word in which the contestant then tried to convey one password back to the celebrity in fifteen seconds or less.  So you conceivably win up to $1,000 per bonus round.


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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2004, 12:27:01 PM »
[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 11:14 AM\']There's some audio files of a few bonus rounds on The Bewitched Page.  It was $100 per word up to five, and then the betting word in which the contestant then tried to convey one password back to the celebrity in fifteen seconds or less.  So you conceivably win up to $1,000 per bonus round.
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Initially, though, it was still $50 a word in the Lightning Round, with the possibliity of betting up to $250.  The increased payouts came when they went to best-two-out-of-three matches instead of one game at a time.

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2004, 12:31:03 PM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 10:41 AM\'] My dollar figures might be off, so someone feel free to correct me, and I know it's 1971 dollars, but $2,400 for 5 days seems very cheap, even if you inflate the dollar figures to 2004. [/quote]
Not at all.  Through the sixties and into the early seventies, most post-scandal games were being played for a few hundred dollars a shot, especially games like Password which placed gameplay and celebrity interaction over big winnings.  The $10,000 Pyramid changed everything in 1973 (much like Millionaire did in 1999), but before that, a couple thousand for a week's effort wasn't so unusual.

Bill Cullen said this in 1987, complaining about what we now call Mo' Money Syndrome:
"You'd give them a thousand dollars and you made their year.  Now, unless it's twenty or thirty thousand dollars, they look at you like you suckered them into a deal that really didn't turn out as well as they perhaps had hoped."
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2004, 02:08:41 PM »
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 11:27 AM\'] [quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 11:14 AM\']There's some audio files of a few bonus rounds on The Bewitched Page.  It was $100 per word up to five, and then the betting word in which the contestant then tried to convey one password back to the celebrity in fifteen seconds or less.  So you conceivably win up to $1,000 per bonus round.
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Initially, though, it was still $50 a word in the Lightning Round, with the possibliity of betting up to $250.  The increased payouts came when they went to best-two-out-of-three matches instead of one game at a time. [/quote]
 So in best two-out-of-three, one had to win twice to get to the Lightning Round? What a rip-off!

Well, I'm overstating it. But they save dough whenever a match requires a third game, and the player could lose it all anyway if, say, JoAnn Worley is having an off day.

Fewer Lightning Rounds could be why they ended up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and trying All-Stars.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2004, 03:26:21 PM »
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 10:10 AM\'] I think you're describing the format for the revised contestant/celeb format in 1975(post-All Stars). The payout structure early in the ABC run was what it was on the CBS run IIRC. [/quote]
 Ahh, I see...thanks for the correction...this time. :-)
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2004, 09:24:25 PM »
[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 10:07 PM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 4 2004, 02:48 PM\']
Elizabeth Montgomery (Bewitched) and Bill Bixby (The Courtship Of Eddie's Father) launched the premiere week. Native Californian Judy Spicer, decked out in lavender 1971 hot pants, drew whistles on every partner change and rolled up $2,400 before retiring at the end of the first week undefeated. [/quote]
How much were they playing for? Was it the same $200 for the game, $50 a word in the Lightning Round as on CBS?

Also, does anyone remember how well the Betting Word worked--did contestants always shoot the works, or was there good variety with the betting? [/quote]
 The way the betting word worked was that after the lightning round, Allen showed a word to the contestant.  The contestant could bet any or all of the winnings acculmulated in the Lightning Round.  The contestant had, I believe, either 10 or 15 seconds to have the celebrity say the betting word.
If the contestant was successful in getting the celebrity to say the word, the contestant won the amount of money that was bet.
Example.  The player would bet $150.00 of the $250.00 that was won during the Lightning Round.  The player wins the betting word, thus adding $150.00 to the $250.00 that was won during the lightning round for a total of $400.00 overall.  
If the player loses the betting word, the player gets $150.00 deducted from the original $250.00 won in the Lightning Round, thus the player gets only $100.00 for the Lightning Round/Betting Word portion of the game.
BTW: Each word in the Lightning Round was $50.00 per word.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2004, 09:55:20 PM »
[quote name=\'JohnTheGameMan\' date=\'Apr 5 2004, 08:24 PM\'] The way the betting word worked was that after the lightning round, Allen showed a word to the contestant.  The contestant could bet any or all of the winnings acculmulated in the Lightning Round.  The contestant had, I believe, either 10 or 15 seconds to have the celebrity say the betting word.
If the contestant was successful in getting the celebrity to say the word, the contestant won the amount of money that was bet.
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15 seconds.  If the player thought the word was too hard, he/she could say "no bet" and they went on to the next game.

Also note that if the contestant gave an illegal clue in the betting word, the word was thrown out and it was "no bet".  This brought up a rather strange illegal clue once (this is the only time I remember it being "called"): the word was "Duchess", and the celebrity was buzzed for "Duke", because "it's the same word - 'duke' is masculine, and 'duchess' is feminine".

(As for the Tournament of Champions, actually there were five of them per year; the top four players every three months met for $1000, and the four winners each year met for $5000 and the chance to play the previous year's Grand Champion for $10,000.)

Another change from the CBS version (sorry if this has been mentioned): each team got three tries at each word, so the lowest score you could get on any particular word was 5.  (Also, did the CBS version ever have the play/pass option?)

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