Morning Schedule Change

[adamjk]

[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 11:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 11:52 AM\'] The more classics that return, the better, 'cause I fear the era of game shows is fleeting. 4 game shows left (TPIR, Jeopardy!, WOF, Family Feud), 2 currently resting in their mausoleum (H2, Pyramid)...I swear, reality TV may be edgin' us out of our place on the planet, kids... [/quote]
These things are cyclical, IMO.  Game shows were the big thing, then they weren't... then a few years ago they were again, and now they aren't.  When the cycle will favor game shows once again is anyone's guess, but it will eventually.

My prediction: reality TV will fall out of favor when a network executive gets fired for trying to launch Who Wants to Scratch My Ass.  At that point the show will move to GSN, which will immediately give it a 39-week order, prompting the inhabitants of this board to argue whether WWTSMA is a game show, a gaming show, a gameumentary, or a sport. [/quote]
 There are more then 4 game shows going. You have Street Smarts, Millionaire, and Pax'x two new offerings. Not to mention the What the Blank pilot that may turn into a series we hope.

[CaseyAbell]

With all due respect, why the dislike? [Of CS]

Fair enough. I just find the game too simple. Higher, lower, higher, lower...

Just not my cuppa. But as I said before, the show has lots of fans. Matter of opinion. I liked Cram, and lots of folks couldn't stand it.

As for Casey, we've been down this road before, haven't we? You obviously have a much broader scope than most on what you consider a game show, most of us disagree. Leave it at that.

Fair enough again. But I don't necessarily know that my definition is all that wide all the time. On another thread a poster commented that the ancient Home Run Derby show is listed in the Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows. That's getting a little too broad, IMO. We really are toppling over into the sports world there.

Not that I didn't like Home Run Derby when ESPN Classic rustled up some of the aged episodes. Chris Lambert talks about the Derb on his sports game show page:

http://www.chris-lambert.com/SPORTS/Bench.html

Did Canseco's victory in the revival prompt a roids investigation (wink)?

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 10:52 AM\'] Now when do we get to see the B&E collection?

 [/quote]
 NEVER. Bwahhahahahaha!

[michaellinn]

[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 07:26 AM\']Oh, let me add my welcome to michaellinn. Discussion gets vigorous around here, as you've already seen.[/quote]
Thanks for the welcome, CaseyAbell. Yes, I have seen vigorous discussions around here, and it's cool. Even though I may debate, I still want to be friendly, and I know there are many intelligent people who post here who have their own opinions on things. I respect them. And sometimes we just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. There IS one thing we CAN agree on: we enjoy game shows, whether they be considered traditional or not. If this were a music forum, we'd have some people posting their love for heavy metal and hating opera--and vice versa. Two very different types of music, but still music. I guess the same can be said for game shows in general nowadays, with so many different kinds out there.

[michaellinn]

[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 01:05 PM\']

With all due respect, why the dislike? [Of CS]

Fair enough. I just find the game too simple. Higher, lower, higher, lower...

 [/quote]
 I, too, thought the format of the "higher or lower" business on Card Sharks was rather simple. I'd rather see 'em play poker with those cards! But I still enjoy watching the game, especially Perry's version, as it brings back memories of those late '70s game shows when I was a young teen. Okay, I'll admit it: I'm in the over-30 crowd (wow, did I just type that?). I think I enjoyed watching Card Sharks more back then than I do now, but still enjoyable for me.

[uncamark]

The thing that I always liked about "CS" the most was the polling questions, and that remains the thing I like the most about it, but I did like it more seeing it again the first few years after I got GSN than I did the first time around.

As I've stated before, in my mind the B&E shows just don't hold up, between the cornball host banter, the ridiculously easy questions, what comes across now as tacky production and those damn beat-the-bad-guy end games.  "TJW" and "TTD" in themselves are solid formats--I'd just rather see them in new guises with stronger end games than go back to Jack Barry's mumblemouth and Wink's cluelessness (or, "if I repeat bits of the question enough when someone gets it right, they'll think I actually know something!").

[tyshaun1]

Card Sharks, IMO, was a solid game that you could jump in and out of without missing too much. Plus, the fast paced hosting style of Jim Perry added to the tension. OTOH, Bob Eubanks' version was WAY too slow-paced, and eventually they seemed to forget what show they were doing, Mindreaders or CS.

Tyshaun

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 06:21 PM\'] Card Sharks, IMO, was a solid game that you could jump in and out of without missing too much. Plus, the fast paced hosting style of Jim Perry added to the tension. OTOH, Bob Eubanks' version was WAY too slow-paced, and eventually they seemed to forget what show they were doing, Mindreaders or CS.

Tyshaun [/quote]
 Jim Perry had a great, dramatic yet friendly hosting style which carried over beautifully to $ale of the Century. During the final 15 months of $otC when Don Morrow took over in the announcing booth, I loved every inch of that show as the best dramatic host and dramatic announcer in the business had a presence on that show.
When Eubanks hosted Card Sharks--as much as I like and respect Bob--he was a supreme goofball on that show and I couldn't stand it. Plus, I think the music on the late 80s version was God-awful. We went from that Double Dare theme which, as the Tamster perfectfully stated, was "boss" to that piece of garbage. I can't believe that was approved for the theme music. What trash.

[adamjk]

I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great

[FeudDude]

I have to agree with the comments made on Card Sharks.  Although I don't dislike the show, and I still watch it if I'm awake and in my room when it's on GSN, I do think it's overrated, and probably my least favorite of the G-T shows I've seen.  I think the gameplay is too simple, luck-based, and predictable.  The survey questions can be interesting (especially when they bring in the groups of 10 people who have something in common), but I think a lot of the contestants are obnoxious.  I look forward to seeing the Perry version - judging by what I've read, I think I might like that one better.  I also agree about the Perry-era theme being much better, although I do like that they used TPIR car cues on the Eubanks version.

As for GSN's new schedule:  Am I the only one who thinks it would've made more sense to put Perry Card Sharks on weekdays and Match Game 90 on weekends, instead of the other way around?

[tyshaun1]

[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
 Actually, Eubanks seemed to like to prod and make fun of his contestants (carrying over from the Newlywed Game), and what's worse, once again IMO, he seemed not to care about the game he was hosting! In addition, the theme seemed out of place on the show (which is why it was revised 2 times in the first 9 months). Overall, while I liked the '80's Card Sharks when I was younger, it's a show that has not aged well over the years.

Tyshaun

[SRIV94]

The one problem I had with Eubanks CS is that contestants had a propensity for not knowing when to freeze.  With no incentive like a $500 bonus for running the board (like in the late stages of the Perry version), more often than not contestants would actually call the next card with a 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 showing (and more than one card turned over).  And more often than not, they'd be wrong and have to go back to the base card (and end up losing the game).

I did like the wrinkle of the 10 members of a group being polled--I thought that was a good way to vary the questions.

But I'm biased--I prefer the Perry version (NBC games just appealed to me more for the most part--yes, there were exceptions).

Doug

[Dbacksfan12]

[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
 The variance of opinions is great.
I thought Bob was a jerk 95% of the time he hosted Card Sharks, seemed phony; and acted like it was just another paycheck.

[cmjb13]

[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 01:02 AM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 30 2004, 08:59 PM\'] I liked the Eubanks version. He made the contestants feel at ease up there. Which is what a host should do. Make them feel at home. And I thought the Eubanks theme was great [/quote]
The variance of opinions is great.
I thought Bob was a jerk 95% of the time he hosted Card Sharks, seemed phony; and acted like it was just another paycheck. [/quote]
 IIRC, Bob had mentioned in a Steve Beverly interview that Card Sharks was one of his favorite shows that he hosted.

When I met him briefly at Game show week at H2, I had mentioned that I really enjoyed him hosting Card Sharks. He said thanks and it was one of his favorites too.

Unless he was lying.

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jul 31 2004, 06:45 AM\'] When I met him briefly at Game show week at H2, I had mentioned that I really enjoyed him hosting Card Sharks. He said thanks and it was one of his favorites too.

Unless he was lying. [/quote]
 I have no doubt that Bob enjoyed doing the show. I just did not at all care for his hosting style. I liked him much better when he was mostly all-business like on Trivia Trap. He just seemed to try way to hard on Card Sharks. On the other hand, Bill Rafferty--truly, a very funny man--was terrific on the syndicated version. Hope GSN gets around to showing those some time again soon.