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« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2004, 09:57:56 PM »
[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 07:37 PM\']I never saw that special.
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Okay, are you making a concerted effort to be an inane chucklehead, or is it coming naturally?
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« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2004, 10:01:25 PM »
[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 09:37 PM\']I never saw that special.
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« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2004, 07:51:35 AM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 09:57 PM\'][quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 07:37 PM\']I never saw that special.
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I AM NOT A CHUCKLEHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2004, 08:13:00 AM »
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I AIN'T NO CHUCKLEHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, you are a stooge, I give you credit at least for calling yourself that

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« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2004, 09:39:36 AM »
Damn...even Zach is chuckling in with the insults. Now you know there's trouble.

And no Zach, you don't have to respond with some kind of justification. Just take the joke and sit down.
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« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2004, 10:59:50 AM »
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Oct 1 2004, 11:54 AM\']http://www.wost.org/bonus18.html

That link will take you to an *entire* episode of MG/HS, in which NBC daytime stars played.
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I'm seeing Segment 6 of the show as I type this. Ahhh...that voice, Bowzer!

Wonder how the show had fared if they'd coaxed Peter Marshall to return? Yep...2 NBC Daytime emcees together for one game; would've made a much better pairing. Jon Bauman: huge miscast.
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« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2004, 12:08:37 PM »
[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 05:51 AM\']I AM NOT A CHUCKLEHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quit acting like one, then.
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« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2004, 01:07:57 PM »
[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 10:59 AM\']Jon Bauman: huge miscast.
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At first, I didn't think that Bauman was that bad, but as the show drug on, his voice and totally wooden personality became too much to bear.  He seemed to take the whole show way too seriously.  He read most of the HS questions like he was friggin Trebek.  To the producer's credit, at least they didn't have him host as Bowzer!

Again, thanks to whoever posted this link.  It's really cool to have a good quality episode to watch as my first exposure to this show.

I still think the idea of combining these shows was brilliant.  They really do work together pretty well in one format like that.  The missing piece was the chemistry, I think.  Brett and CNR could have done wonders for the MG segment.  PM would have done wonders for the HS segment.  The PM GR combo would have been the topper, I think.

I'd seen pictures of the set before, but had never seen it in action...WOW!  The host entrance when that giant wall swings open was a thing a beauty!

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« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2004, 02:01:43 PM »
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 11:07 AM\']blah blah blah Bauman sucks blah blah blah I've only seen one single episode.
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You are, of course, entitled to an opinion, but do you now see why I might not be inclined to take it too seriously?
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« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2004, 04:08:24 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 02:01 PM\'][quote name=\'ITSBRY\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 11:07 AM\']blah blah blah Bauman sucks blah blah blah I've only seen one single episode.
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You are, of course, entitled to an opinion, but do you now see why I might not be inclined to take it too seriously?
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Geeze man...why do you get so annoyed by stuff like this?  Honestly, I could care less whether you take what I or anyone else says seriously.  The way you behave in this forum, nothing and nobody says anything to please you anyway.  Get over yourself.  You never cease to amaze me with your out of the blue attacks.

I did not say that Bauman sucked.  I said that he seemed very wooden and too serious.  Next to Gene's comfortable jokey style, he just didn't seem to fit as a sidekick.  Given that this was a late episode in the series, one would assume that this was a fairly typical show.  You're correct though, it's the only episode I've seen so perhaps I shouldn't make that assumption.

I happened to greatly enjoy the show actually and would probably watch it if it were ever rerun.  There are alot of good things about it.  I was merely trying to say that it PROBABLY would have been better with a more seasoned host at the HS helm...that's all.  I think the show was a great idea, but the execution just seemed a bit 'off' to me.  The Baumen/Rayburn chemistry and the panel chemistry had a great deal to do with that for me.

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« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2004, 04:35:33 PM »
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 02:08 PM\']Geeze man...why do you get so annoyed by stuff like this?
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Why do I get annoyed when people judge a show or host based on seeing a miniscule sample? Gee, I wonder.
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Get over yourself.  You never cease to amaze me with your out of the blue attacks.
Clearly you've been hanging out with STYDFan. Show me the attack in what I said. 'Cuz I sure as hell don't see it. In fact I went out of my way to extend a modicum of courtesy by acknowledging your right to an opinion.
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I did not say that Bauman sucked.  I said that he seemed very wooden and too serious.
Fair enough, and I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth. You will agree, however, that that is hardly a glowing review of his work.
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You're correct though, it's the only episode I've seen so perhaps I shouldn't make that assumption.
I agree. I like the guy, personally. I just think it would be fairer of you to give him three or four shows. If you still think he's crappe at that point, you're at least making a better informed assessment.
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I was merely trying to say that it PROBABLY would have been better with a more seasoned host at the HS helm...that's all.
I enjoyed it even with the warts that did exist, but I would suggest that OF the warts that do exist, Bauman himself was the least of the format's problems.
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The Baumen/Rayburn chemistry
Was that Bauman's fault, though, or Rayburn's? It's been said he hated doing MGHSH, and it's awful hard to put on a unified and entertaining front when you hate your job. I'm not suggesting I have the answer - perhaps Bauman is a schmuck off camera, I have no idea, but the prevaling wind around here seems to be that Gene Rayburn can do no wrong, and I'm not willing to completely take that on faith.
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« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2004, 05:10:20 PM »
Okay, as someone who watched MG/HS just about every day when he came home from school, I do have fond memories of the show. I liked the chemistry when the panel clicked (although, as was stated earlier, maintaining that chemistry during the week was tough because of the seat-switching), and I thought the Super Match was particularly exciting, especially the handful of $30,000 wins that occurred.

However, having seen the show again years later through video trades, I can definitely see the flaws. From what I know, Jon Bauman is a great guy, and I would say he tried to be the best host he could for this show. However, I think he let the inmates take over the prison too often. Many times, it seemed like he let the celebs get long-winded and hog too much camera time, thereby wasting time in the HS portion. Just watch David L. Lander and Michael Winslow during that week that's on the trading circuit, and you'll see what I mean. (To be fair, though, the producers should have been clamping down on that, too.) In all the MG/HS episodes that I have, there are only two in which all nine stars get asked at least one question. In at least one episode I saw, only four of the stars got asked questions.

And Goodson may have been "playing it straight" when he had the writers create multiple-choice questions, but by doing so, he also robbed the stars of opportunities to give zingers. It's a lot harder to give a good joke as an answer when possible answers have already been given. I can remember one instance from the "St. Elsewhere" week when Jon asked Howie Mandel "What is the best way to keep your bathroom smelling fresh?"; Howie immediately replied, "Don't use it." Howie actually had to interrupt the question to get a decent joke in.

The MG segment clearly worked better, mainly because it was essentially the format of MG PM. But I can imagine a lot of people might have gotten put off by the stiltedness of the HS segment and changed channels during it.

Flaws and all, I do enjoy seeing the show through trades, and though I know it's a pipe dream, I still hope to see Jay Leno, Arsenio Hall, and other in reruns of the game on TV one day.

Completely unrelated to gameplay: This may have been due to the fact that the show was in a late-afternoon time slot, but I like how the celebs were always dressed up. The men were usually in suits and ties, and the women often dressed in classy eveningwear and sometimes wore fancy hats. The theme and the intro, of course, rocked. I like that each celeb got his own separate introduction and cheers and applause. And I did like the set a lot, though I think the dark colors of the huge video wall and the dark-purple backdrop behind the MG set were maybe too much of a contrast from the otherwise-bright set.


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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2004, 05:26:11 PM »
I am going to make one reply to this as I'm not going to turn it into a flame war.

Why do I get annoyed when people judge a show or host based on seeing a miniscule sample? Gee, I wonder.

How is seeing the entire show a miniscule example?  It would be one thing if I made the judgement based on a five second clip or having never seen it at all.  I think it's a safe bet that for the short 15 or whatever weeks the show ran, that Baumen was pretty much the same...I don't know.  My whole point in the post was just to say that "yes, I can see that the concept was great, but the execution was off".

Clearly you've been hanging out with STYDFan. Show me the attack in what I said. 'Cuz I sure as hell don't see it. In fact I went out of my way to extend a modicum of courtesy by acknowledging your right to an opinion.

I have not been "hanging out" with anyone.  Quite frankly, you come off here as a major hot head and based on what I've seen, you seem to look for any excuse to make a sarcastic or condecending comment.  It's unnecessary.  If I've misjudged you, I apologize.  Maybe that's not your intent, but that's sure how it comes off to me.

Fair enough, and I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth. You will agree, however, that that is hardly a glowing review of his work.

This Chris is what bothers me.  The fact that you quoted me and then changed my words in the quote so you could 'attack'.  Yes, my review of him was not glowing, but I did not say he sucked.  As a matter of fact, I did say that at first he was fine.  He was always a good panelist on MG and he did a fine job in the MG segment.  I just thought his hosting left alot to be desired.

I agree. I like the guy, personally. I just think it would be fairer of you to give him three or four shows. If you still think he's crappe at that point, you're at least making a better informed assessment.

Fair enough.

Was that Bauman's fault, though, or Rayburn's? It's been said he hated doing MGHSH, and it's awful hard to put on a unified and entertaining front when you hate your job. I'm not suggesting I have the answer - perhaps Bauman is a schmuck off camera, I have no idea, but the prevaling wind around here seems to be that Gene Rayburn can do no wrong, and I'm not willing to completely take that on faith.

No idea...I didn't place the blame for the lack of chemistry on either one of them actually...just said that it wasn't there.  Truthfully, Gene didn't seem to be having as much fun as he did in the 70s series, but he still seemed a whole lot better at schmoozing than Bauman did.

It's all a matter of opinion anyway, so what's the point in arguing about it?  I happened to think that John Davidson did a fair job with both HS and Pyramid, but that's not the prevailing opinion around here either.

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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2004, 07:24:32 PM »
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 03:26 PM\']How is seeing the entire show a miniscule example?
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Assuming the series went 13-weeks-and-out (and ISTR it went longer, if not much), 1 episode out of 65 is 1.54% of his total performance on the show. I think that fits just about anyone's definition of "a miniscule example."
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Clearly you've been hanging out with STYDFan. Show me the attack in what I said.

I have not been "hanging out" with anyone.  Quite frankly, you come off here as a major hot head and based on what I've seen, you seem to look for any excuse to make a sarcastic or condecending comment.  It's unnecessary.  If I've misjudged you, I apologize.  Maybe that's not your intent, but that's sure how it comes off to me.
...and you dodged the question. As I expected.
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This Chris is what bothers me.  The fact that you quoted me and then changed my words in the quote so you could 'attack'.
Oh good lord. You know, when I was writing the post, I considered adding a "(paraphrasing)" disclaimer before I quoted you, but then I decided that any member with half a clue would figure out that you weren't ACTUALLY saying "blah blah blah" and would scroll up if they were interested in seeing your full comment. Next time I'll be sure to give our membership much less credit.
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No idea...I didn't place the blame for the lack of chemistry on either one of them actually...just said that it wasn't there.
Again, fair enough.
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Truthfully, Gene didn't seem to be having as much fun as he did in the 70s series, but he still seemed a whole lot better at schmoozing than Bauman did.
I'm guessing that 25 years of extra experience will give you a leg up in most any vocation. Not that we know if Bauman would have improved, granted.
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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2004, 09:09:55 PM »
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It's a lot harder to give a good joke as an answer when possible answers have already been given. I can remember one instance from the "St. Elsewhere" week when Jon asked Howie Mandel "What is the best way to keep your bathroom smelling fresh?"; Howie immediately replied, "Don't use it." Howie actually had to interrupt the question to get a decent joke in.

That's how it seemed to work for most of the celebs...because of the question structure most of the time, they had to get their zinger in early or mid-question (particularly w/those that started "You are a...", a fave gimmick of the writers).

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