Could Daytime Games Even Return at all?

[starcade]

No.  It would literally take the networks taking back a lot of the daytime which has been ceded to local stations to syndicate or do their own stuff.  Given that game shows are quite on the ebb as a genre, I don't see that happening.

[Don Howard]

[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Oct 28 2004, 08:02 PM\']No.  It would literally take the networks taking back a lot of the daytime which has been ceded to local stations to syndicate or do their own stuff.  Given that game shows are quite on the ebb as a genre, I don't see that happening.

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The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.
The fact that The Price Is Right has been on the air for close to a third of a century is darned near miraculous. And how many of us back in the day REALLY thought Bob Barker would still be hosting the show at the age of 80?

[Jimmy Owen]

Another point is that all of the networks but PAX are tied to syndication companies which supply a lot of the more popular programming the stations use to fill the non-network hours.  It may be in everyone's interest to maintain status quo.

[WorldClassRob]

I am with Randy with this one... sad to say this, becuase I used to enjoy watching the daytime game shows, especially the NBC ones in the 80s.

I don't see daytime game shows making a comeback soon... at least not for the next five years.  The exception of course is The Price Is Right, which for those of you who haven't done research is the sixth longest-running daytime television program airing today (behind General Hospital, Days Of Our Lives, Guiding Light, As The World Turns and Today).   Once Bob Barker hangs it up for good, I have a feeling that CBS will keep it going and bring in Todd Newton or someone else to host, if not air classic Barker TPIRs from years past.

RD

[Jimmy Owen]

What about "Meet the Press" and "Face the Nation."?

[chris319]

The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.

There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically. As we speak, Mr. PAX is proving that game shows can still be an economical form of original programming. That leaves just one small obstacle: demos. Game shows just don't deliver the young demos advertisers seek and that puts the kybosh on the whole idea.

[GS Warehouse]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 4 2004, 10:39 PM\']What about "Meet the Press" and "Face the Nation."?

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Five-a-week daytime ≠ Sunday public affairs

[Ian Wallis]

There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically.

Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's?  I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m.  Is it on all the O&O's?

[tomobrien]

Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's?  I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m.  Is it on all the O&O's?

In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.

[sshuffield70]

[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 4 2004, 11:11 PM\']

The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.

There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically. As we speak, Mr. PAX is proving that game shows can still be an economical form of original programming. That leaves just one small obstacle: demos. Game shows just don't deliver the young demos advertisers seek and that puts the kybosh on the whole idea.

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Funny you should mention that again....(but then again we all have)...I read an article in the Dallas Morning News (aka the DaMN paper) about how Madison Avenue is starting to rethink about the over 50 crowd.  That's been showing up in these Lincoln and Cadillac ads, plus various other advertisers.  Apparently, they've discovered that over 50s can be just as swayed as the teenyboppers that GSN has been targeting.  So there's hope on that front.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 08:13 AM\']Apparently, they've discovered that over 50s can be just as swayed as the teenyboppers that GSN has been targeting.  So there's hope on that front.

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You people don't watch a lot of golf on the weekends on TV, do you? There's a reason you don't see Tiger Woods getting out of a Ford Escort.

(That reason is that he makes more money than GOD, but I digress....)

[uncamark]

[quote name=\'tomobrien\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM\']

Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's?  I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m.  Is it on all the O&O's?

In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.

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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."

The only true indie in Chicago is WCIU--well, WJYS, if you consider paid religion and infomercials "independent."  (And if it wasn't for cable and must-carry rules, a lot of the Chicago area can't even get the station.)

(And I want to hear Rick Elliott reading that ID over the intro to Roger Whittaker's "Last Farewell" in his best Carl Grayson or Cliff Mercer imitation.  

[tomobrien]

[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 01:17 PM\'][quote name=\'tomobrien\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM\']

In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.

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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."

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You're right, it's a WB station; I was using "independent" to mean "a non-O&O."  Bad phrasing on my part.

[sshuffield70]

[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 02:17 PM\'][quote name=\'tomobrien\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM\']

Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's?  I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m.  Is it on all the O&O's?

In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.

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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."

The only true indie in Chicago is WCIU--well, WJYS, if you consider paid religion and infomercials "independent."  (And if it wasn't for cable and must-carry rules, a lot of the Chicago area can't even get the station.)

(And I want to hear Rick Elliott reading that ID over the intro to Roger Whittaker's "Last Farewell" in his best Carl Grayson or Cliff Mercer imitation.  

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Those were the days......I remember hearing the ID before hearing the song and put the two together.

[Jimmy Owen]

Through their associated syndication arms the networks are programming the local time slots already.  CBS gives you Oprah, Montel and Dr. Phil, NBC Jerry and Maury, ABC Regis.  In prime access ABC gives you WWTBAM and arms of CBS give you WOF, J!, ET and Insider.  The gravy train is running at full throttle.