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[Skynet74]

[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 10:41 PM\'] OK, I'm only going to say this once:

There is word that the authorities are collecting and tracking the IP addresses of all who use file-sharing services--and have the right to arrest anyone found with one of those addresses. [/quote]

    There are close to 4 Million People logged onto Kazaa right now. That's not even counting the Millions of other people who use Kazaa who arn't logged on right now. Then factor in the millions of people using other File Sharing Services as well. There is no way in hell the RIAA can actually sue everyone. There isn't enough man Power in the world to even make that happen. The RIAA wants to make an example out of a select few and hope it scares the rest of us away. It will scare some away for a little while, but they will return once again. This is simply not the way to go about getting your message across.

 The recording industry is trying to put out a Forest Fire with a Garden Hose. It just can't happen. The technology is here and there is no turning back. They need to do what I said a long time ago. Start putting other things in with the CD. Concert Tickets, Money Giveaways, Discounts on Band related merchandise. Things that can't be duplicated. Some kind of incentive to make people want to purchase a CD instead of downloading it.

  If I was ever sued, I would Counter Sue for Millions of Dollars for stress and anguish due to such a ridiculous lawsuit. Then it's the RIAA that would be taught a lesson. You can't start suing people because they share a few files that you don't want them to. It's total nonsense. The President Of The United States will ultimately see that the RIAA is out of control. Then this whole RIAA lawsuit business will end.



John

[Matt Ottinger]

If I was ever sued, I would Counter Sue for Millions of Dollars for stress and anguish due to such a ridiculous lawsuit. Then it's the RIAA that would be taught a lesson. You can't start suing people because they share a few files that you don't want them to. It's total nonsense.

Umm, no.  While your analogy of putting out a forest fire with a garden hose is a very good one, the simple fact is that \"sharing\" copyrighted files that you didn't pay for is an illegal thing to do.  Against the law.  In violation of federal statutes.

Sure, they'll never catch everybody, but the police don't catch every purse snatcher either.  That doesn't mean that the ones they DO catch are any less guilty.  The recording industry's biggest problem is that they let this go for so long without addressing it seriously that there are lots of folks like you who believe that just because you are *capable* of doing this illegal thing, and that you've been doing it for so long, that you therefore have a *right* to do this illegal thing.  Not so.

Think of it as driving on the interstate.  Your car is capable of going very, very fast.  If you go very, very fast only once in a while, or if you consistantly go just a little over the speed limit, you're breaking the law but you're probably going to get away with it.  And people do that all the time too.  But if you flagrantly drive any speed you want any time you want, just because your car is capable of doing that, at some point you're going to get yourself in trouble.

[GS Warehouse]

[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 11:25 PM\']

Some of us (me included) have unlicensed versions of game shows on our websites.

That's why you should put a disclaimer on your site. [/quote]
 FYI, I do.  In the individual game pages and the documentation for each, I clearly state the trademark information and add \"No challenge to ownership is nor will ever be implied.\"

And based on those flaming replies above, that's the last time I rant without SPF-infinity sunblock.  Anybody got a couple tons of ice?

[Robair]

[quote name=\'Dan Sadro\' date=\'Jul 20 2003, 09:21 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 20 2003, 08:20 PM\'] does anyone know where on the internet i can find an mp3 or something of the Press Your Luck prize music? [/quote]
Does anyone know of a thread regarding game show theme collecting that doesn't turn into a huge list of mostly irrational wants of which have been expressed time and time again by an ever-growing group of people?

Just saying... [/quote]
 Good guess, Dan, but wrong.

The correct answer was \"a thread regarding game show themes that doesn't turn into a debate over the legality of Internet file-sharing\".

The one you're thinking about will pop up next week, guaranteed.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 11:25 PM\'] Heck, if Dilbert creator Scott Adams knows about my site I'm in trouble, because it uses his catch phrase "whenever I feel like it" more than once. [/quote]
 That's absolutely not true. Words are WAY to commonly used to be copyrighted. That's just like saying i can copyright the word \"refrigerator\", and sue anybody who uses it. it'd never work.

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:46 AM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 11:25 PM\'] Heck, if Dilbert creator Scott Adams knows about my site I'm in trouble, because it uses his catch phrase "whenever I feel like it" more than once. [/quote]

That's absolutely not true. Words are WAY to commonly used to be copyrighted. That's just like saying i can copyright the word "refrigerator", and sue anybody who uses it. it'd never work. [/quote]
 Kleenex

There's a million everyday words like that, that people take for granted as simple words, but are copyrighted, but none of them are coming to me, and I don't have my media law book. Otherwise I'd take you to school. :-) You can indeed copyright a phrase, such as \"Yabba Dabba Doo.\" I don't know how effect a lawsuit is, but it is a TM of Fred Flintstone and Hanna Barbera, and I've seen it copywritten before.

ObGameShow: Richard Simmons and Jonathan Prince annoyed the hell out of me on Win Lose or Draw last week.

[MitchJoseph2004]

I think this whole lawsuit has gotten out of hand.
At this moment I share over 500 files on Kazaa, and I feel as if there is nothing wrong with it. Its just a sign of the times and the technology out there that people are going to do this.
Does the RIAA have a search warrent out for my little house little ol' Chillicothe Ohio? There is nothing that these people can do to all of us.
Just like speeding, if we all do it at the same time, can the police stop us all? NO. They could stop a few, but in the big picture is it going to make much of a difference?

This stuff has gone on, it goes on, and it will go on for a long time. So I suggest you guys stop shaking in your pants and stop saying \"THEY'RE GONNA GET US!!\"........... the only way to put an end to this is to completely unplug the internet, and i can't see that happening. Grow some balls and stop whining, worrying and all that jazz.  I think my good pal Val Wilder can teach us a few words \"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive\"
If one person stops sharing, then the enemy has won.......
The RIAA is all about money......... that's the point.


Aight, off my soapbox now

[Kevin Prather]

for my media class, i had to make a website. i wanted to title one of the pages \"You CAN make a difference!\". But i was worried it would infringe on copyright (America's Most Wanted), so i asked my teacher. he said, and i quote, \"Words and phrases are too common to be copyrighted.\"

[PeterMarshallFan]

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:51 AM\'] ObGameShow: Richard Simmons and Jonathan Prince annoyed the hell out of me on Win Lose or Draw last week. [/quote]
 Yeah, but they were damn good players.

WLoD moment of the week: Rhett Butler

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:55 AM\'] for my media class, i had to make a website. i wanted to title one of the pages "You CAN make a difference!". But i was worried it would infringe on copyright (America's Most Wanted), so i asked my teacher. he said, and i quote, "Words and phrases are too common to be copyrighted." [/quote]
 Which would make virtually every commercial slogan useless, as far as copyrights?

A slogan is still a phrase, and I'm sure if I made a shirt with \"Can you hear me now? Good!\" that someone from Verizon could (if they wanted to waste their time) legally make me get rid of the shirt.

[tvrandywest]

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 12:03 PM\'] Which would make virtually every commercial slogan useless, as far as copyrights?
 [/quote]
You can't copyright words, but you CAN be granted a \"service mark\" that provides for similar recourse in the event of infringement. Service marks can be a word or slogan for a particular and specific useage.

You're already familiar with a few dozen, such as \"We bring good things to life\".

I'm most familiar with the practice in radio where adequately distinctive words and phrases ARE regularly service marked. For example, the descriptive names \"KISS\" and \"STAR\" are protected for use by only one station in your radio market. The cease and desist order from CBS/Infinity would be served so fast that your head would spin if you used the phrase \"Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world\" on your LA radio station. But, arguably, you could use the phrase to describe your travel agency... those are the kind of disputes that make lawyers rich.


Randy
tvrandywest.com

[Don Howard]

Does the RIAA have a search warrent out for my little house little ol' Chillicothe Ohio?

Chillicothe, eh? Were you at the Paints game on Monday
for \"dime-a-dog\" night?
Back to the topic at hand, no, sorry, I don't have a clean copy
of the theme. And it looks like it's a good thing I don't. I'll also
think twice from now on before looking across a room.

[Fedya]

Randy West wrote:

I'm most familiar with the practice in radio where adequately distinctive words and phrases ARE regularly service marked. For example, the descriptive names \"KISS\" and \"STAR\" are protected for use by only one station in your radio market. The cease and desist order from CBS/Infinity would be served so fast that your head would spin if you used the phrase \"Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world\" on your LA radio station. But, arguably, you could use the phrase to describe your travel agency... those are the kind of disputes that make lawyers rich.

But couldn't you countersue CBS/Infinity for fraud on the grounds that local affiliates never give you the world in any amount of time?  ;-)

(Sorry to offend those who have worked for local TV news outlets, but my experience has been that they care far more about sensationalism and appealing to emotion.  A year and a half ago when India went through one of its regular periods of Hindu/Muslim religious clashes, one of the local newsreaders here began the report by saying \"15 children died in India today\", and then went on to mention that they were killed in the religious clashes.  I wanted to reach through the screen and beat the crap out of the woman.  Would it have been OK if only adults had died?)

[tvrandywest]

[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 10:23 PM\'] Sorry to offend those who have worked for local TV news outlets, but my experience has been that they care far more about sensationalism and appealing to emotion. [/quote]
 \"If it bleeds, it leads\"

The three \"R\"s of news priority: \"Rapes, (W)recks, and Riots\".


There was a day when William Paley at CBS (moreso than the other nets) valued the public service and image enhancing benefits of the network's news broadcasting. The prestigious news department was considered sacrosanct and independent from the programming execs. News regularly operated at a financial loss. It was an environment that nurtured the compelling work of Ed Murrow, and allowed hourlong documentaries like the celebrated \"Harvest of Shame\" to run in primetime (It was a story of poor migrant farm workers picking our fruit - nobody died and nobody wore a bikini).

Since the networks were all bought by huge, multi-national, publicly owned corporate entities (Viacom, GE, Disney) the emphasis has been on news generating a profit. As long as that's the case we'll see all that great stuff like dead children... especially if the story has good video! I can't wait for November sweeps!!


Randy
tvrandywest.com

[tommycharles]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 11:38 PM\']
They can't arrest just anyone. There are LOTS and LOTS of VERY LEGITIMATE uses for those systems. If the RIAA is truly so stupid as to randomly sic the authorities on anyone using any of the aforementioned programs (and it's ENTIRELY possible that they are), then all it takes is one slipup, one potshot at the wrong guy, and they are done for. They don't exactly have a positive image in the public eye right now, and the law is currently on their side, if it's applied to the right people.

Our freedom is in danger only because millions
I ask you what the bigger crime is: perpetuating a business model that encourages charging $20 to buy an entire CD for the one song you want, or downloading an MP3 (which is NOT a perfect copy, despite all of the record company propaganda being shoved up the orifice of your choice) of a song that I wouldn't otherwise buy, usually because the album in question is long out of print?

The fact is, if they took the time to figure out how to work WITH the system instead of against it, they would learn that they can still turn a tidy profit selling MP3's themselves. The fact that any idiot out there can rip a song from a CD now, and that most of said idiots do so BADLY, is the music industry's best weapon, but the industry is so caught up in their own puffery and sabre rattling that they refuse to see it. If they took single songs and charged me $1 for a 128Kbit, 100% guaranteed clean rip, or $2 for the same in a 320K flavor, I'd pay for the download in a New York minute.

But they're greedy and unwilling to let go of that $20-for-one-song profit margin. Obviously, in the case of the Game Show theme CD's, the money is worth spending because the majority of the tracks are worth having. But the days of a superalbum like Huey Lewis And The News's "Sports" or Def Leppard's "Hysteria", where fully half of the album consisted of released singles that received radio airplay are long since over. Today, it's "write one hook song, fill up the rest with crap, and move on to the next album". Why the HELL should I support that? [/quote]
 Now - what exactly can they do (excuse me if I'm underestimating technology here) if they do find said illegal songs on your computer - and you claim that you have every song there on CD's that you legitimately bought at retail price? Do you really have to pull out your CD collection to prove it?

Also, don't we start hitting privacy invasion like never before if the RIAA starts \"sniffing around on your computer\"? Does owning a PC start constituting grounds for a warrant?

Just questions, I'm not ranting - I don't own much \"illegal\" music, as most of the time, I'd just rather buy the whole CD. The few songs I do have, I have because the CD is either extremely rare, or in one case - it's the only song on a Greatest Hits collection that I don't have elsewhere on CD.