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SplitSecond

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2004, 11:35:36 PM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 30 2004, 08:48 PM\']Wouldn't that be a case of Mo' Contestant Syndrome?
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Yes, and Boy Meets Boy had a case of 'Mo Contestant Syndrome.

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2004, 12:57:56 PM »
I dunno about the "J! isn't leaving..." thing.

Certainly not imminently soon, but I do begin to fear that J! may be in a for a big shock once the Ultimate Tournament ends.  Ken-mania might obsolete the show, because then no one will really care much anymore after this tournament.

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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2005, 08:39:43 AM »
Concerning the 4-player format, you may recall, as Ken Jennings was nearing the end of his 75-game run on the show, that as a quasi-gag, I picked up on a suggestion in a news story for a "Ken Jennings Road Kill Tournament" and came up with just such a thing in which the 148 players he defeated over the course of his 74 Jeopardy wins would be brought back to play in a tournament of their own.

The format for my proposed "tournament" would have required 4-player games throughout its duration, with the first round of play reducing the starting field of 148 players to 37 game-winners, to which would be added the top 27 scorers from the non-winners to create a second-round field of 64.  That field would have then be reduced to 16 semi-finalists, and then to 4 finalists in the next two rounds of tournament play, with the four finalists competing in a three-day total-point playoff to determine the eventual tournament winner.  (And the whole package would have fit nicely into a 12-week, 60-program run.)

But I do detect a problem using 4-player play in regular Jeopardy games: Since, under the program's current prize structure, only the game winners get to keep the money they accumulate over the course of their play, the tendency would be to reduce the amount of money a daily winner would receive as a prize, since the total player score for a game would be spread among four players, rather than the current three -- and lower player winnings over time may not go over well with the audience!

The Super Jeopardy tournament that the ABC-TV network aired during the summer of 1990 compensated for that by increasing the score values for the game clues (to 200-1000 in the first round of play, and to 500-2500 in the second round), and playing the games for points, rather than dollars.


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(The lesson here: Keep the current three-player format for regular Jeopardy play, lest you end up as a future "Jump the Shark" notable.)

Don Howard

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2005, 09:27:33 AM »
[quote name=\'Michael Brandenburg\' date=\'Jan 1 2005, 08:40 AM\']The Super Jeopardy tournament that the ABC-TV network aired during the summer of 1990 compensated for that by increasing the score values for the game clues (to 200-1000 in the first round of play, and to 500-2500 in the second round), and playing the games for points, rather than dollars.
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Yes. Loved it. Double Jeopardy was really Double And A Half Jeopardy. You'll notice I did not say Double Jeopardy And A Half because I don't want to get you going again.

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2005, 01:08:47 AM »
And the issue was moot anyway because they were playing for points instead of dollars all the way through.
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2005, 01:15:46 AM »
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 11:08 PM\']And the issue was moot anyway because they were playing for points instead of dollars all the way through.
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Didn't the two players in the final who failed to win the $250K get to keep their earnings with a certain minimum guarantee, like they do in the TOC's?

(Even if I'm right, I acknowledge the Horanity of the question, and I acknowledge that every single other game of the run was in fact played for points, and that I'm sure that is what brought on your comment.)
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2005, 01:46:07 AM »
It wasn't clear to me.  Alex did use the word "guarantee," but the scores were announced as points just as they were at the lower levels of play, and neither player came close to matching the amount in question.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2005, 02:21:49 AM »
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 2 2005, 11:46 PM\']It wasn't clear to me.  Alex did use the word "guarantee," but the scores were announced as points just as they were at the lower levels of play, and neither player came close to matching the amount in question.
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Well, the world may never know, then. :)
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2005, 03:16:52 AM »
[quote name=\'Michael Brandenburg\' date=\'Jan 1 2005, 08:40 AM\']The Super Jeopardy tournament that the ABC-TV network aired during the summer of 1990 compensated for that by increasing the score values for the game clues (to 200-1000 in the first round of play, and to 500-2500 in the second round), and playing the games for points, rather than dollars.
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Well, wait a minute.  They only had the 4-player format for the first round; the Semis and Championship were played with three players.  And I thought the increased values were patronizing then, and I still do now.  Jeopardy is Jeopardy, and inflating the values made it seem like the champions were better players than they really were.  (eg: Bob Blake finished a QF game with 40k, far and away the best J! score ever; he MUST be the best player ever.)

It makes no difference if they play 10-50, 100-500, 1-5 or 1 Billion to 5 Billion, it's still Jeopardy.  Let people just play the game the way it is.

On a similar note, I was kinda hoping that J! would increase their values to 250-1250 and 500-2500 for their regular play, but that would make the record calculations all kinds of icky.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2005, 08:31:48 AM »
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 03:16 AM\']It makes no difference if they play 10-50, 100-500, 1-5 or 1 Billion to 5 Billion, it's still Jeopardy.  Let people just play the game the way it is.
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Yes. Yes! YES!! Mo' Points Syndrome.
By the way, "Horanity" is duly noted as the first Invision coined word of 2005.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2005, 09:37:58 AM »
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 01:46 AM\']It wasn't clear to me.  Alex did use the word "guarantee," but the scores were announced as points just as they were at the lower levels of play, and neither player came close to matching the amount in question.
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3rd place in the Super J! final(DAve Traini, who was well into a minus situation at the end of DJ!) got $25K, and 2nd place(Bob Verini) got $50K

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2005, 11:52:20 AM »
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 07:37 AM\']3rd place in the Super J! final(DAve Traini, who was well into a minus situation at the end of DJ!) got $25K, and 2nd place(Bob Verini) got $50K
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And, as usual, nobody asked. Feeling left out again, Horan?
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2005, 12:25:18 PM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 08:31 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 03:16 AM\']It makes no difference if they play 10-50, 100-500, 1-5 or 1 Billion to 5 Billion, it's still Jeopardy.  Let people just play the game the way it is.
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Yes. Yes! YES!! Mo' Points Syndrome.
By the way, "Horanity" is duly noted as the first Invision coined word of 2005.
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2005, 05:06:48 PM »
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 12:16 AM\']On a similar note, I was kinda hoping that J! would increase their values to 250-1250 and 500-2500 for their regular play, but that would make the record calculations all kinds of icky.
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According to Harry Eisenberg's J! book, the reason they went to $100-$1000 instead of $50-500 in '84 was because they didn't want to slow the game down by having contestants ask for clues "for one hundred and fifty" and "two hundred and fifty." It'd be even worse with a $250, a $750, and a $1250 up there (which is probably why they didn't use that configuration for SJ!'s J! round).

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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2005, 05:48:22 PM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 08:31 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 3 2005, 03:16 AM\']It makes no difference if they play 10-50, 100-500, 1-5 or 1 Billion to 5 Billion, it's still Jeopardy.  Let people just play the game the way it is.
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Yes. Yes! YES!! Mo' Points Syndrome.
By the way, "Horanity" is duly noted as the first Invision coined word of 2005.
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