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xibit777

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2005, 11:01:31 AM »
If GSN is 50th in the ratings, they most likely pull in a .2 average for all day.  At least based on the last Starz ratings report, that would be the case.

And Dream Derby is a nightmare.  Lingo and RR pulled in a .8 or .9 during it's first season.   Dream Derby costed SO much more and pulled in a .4    That is BAD bad bad.  The network has been headed in a terrible direction ever since they made the last season of Lingo.   If they would have made game show originals along with casino games and maybe Dodgeball, then things would have probably turned out great and they would have shows to replace their 3 year old originals running in daytime.

You know, not 1 show that GSN has made since the name change has made it to weekly daytime showings?   Those shows do not rerun well at all.  Are we going to have to see FoF and Lingo's 1 or 2 seasons running over and over for the next 10 years?   If they keep on the same path with making no new original game shows or buying no new classics we will.  They seem to have absolutely no long term plan at all.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2005, 11:05:12 AM by xibit777 »

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2005, 12:19:14 PM »
[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jan 27 2005, 11:01 AM\']And Dream Derby is a nightmare.  Lingo and RR pulled in a .8 or .9 during it's first season.   Dream Derby costed SO much more and pulled in a .4    That is BAD bad bad. [/quote]

ADD (fitting abbreviation, eh?) has Cronin's name all over it so there's no way they're going to bury it unless the ratings become absolutely dire.

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2005, 01:51:26 PM »
If I may....

In the event that GSN somehow sees fit to delete one of my latest posts because they think I hate them, I'd like for there to be a record of it somewhere.  It contains a portion of Seth's post from earlier in this thread.  It also has my response to it.  I was responding to a new poster who did not like what GSN was doing on the programming side (again.....yes, I know we bitch about all day.......okay almost all day.....)  Anyway, here's a copy of the post

Originally posted January 27, 2005 at 1:31 PM ET on the GSN boards:

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Welcome, ladieluck!!  

You will find many friends on this board who share your view (I being one of them.)

Many of us have complained about the direction GSN took last year with all of the reality and casino programming. We believe that there should be more "traditional" game show programming on GSN (much like "Whammy" or "Russian Roulette" as examples).

The following excerpt is a post made by our own Seth Thrasher at another popular game show board. He posted an old post from ATGS concerning GSN's ratings from May, 2001. The post can be accessed here.

Here is Seth's response to it:

The average number of viewers, respective of both sets of data, is in the 100,000 mark, give or take a few millon. This means that if you assume the number given in the LV article (145,000) is the average number of viewers for GSN....GSN, in THREE YEARS, gaining almost 10 million households, and spending ungodly amounts of money on new classics, originals...a rebranding effort, multiple executive changes (New President, Two VP's of Programming, multiple other executive changes) since April 30, 2001, and so forth.....for 45,000-ish viewers.

My response to Seth's post:

GSN would be better off putting its' money back in game shows. It should be making more originals and more eps per run than what it has done.

I know a lot of other networks (namely Discovery) tend to do 13 show seasons for their shows. But there's two differences:

1 - Discovery and their kin don't constantly rerun their shows to death (on these boards, it's called "rerun abuse") They tend to be very timely, and will make enough to last a full year, if need be.

2 - Game shows are not the same kind of animal as what other networks put out. It requires a full commitment to the genre, one that GSN has lacked for a long time. You can't produce 65 eps and say done, and repeat 8 or 9 times then kill. Once the eps are through, the average GSN viewer will say "Hey, I just saw that three months ago! Are they rerunning already?", and not come back unless they know more shows are coming. And that's how GSN loses viewers in the rerun cycle. And GSN forgets how many viewers each show has because they only count the last cycle through. That was their justification for not renewing any of the 2002 originals. I've long maintained that USA did their originals right (most notably with the late 80's "Chain Reaction"). They ordered up 130 eps every year, played them from January to June, replayed them from July- December, and did it all over again (in CR's case, for five years.)

(sorry for the long post  )

Once again, welcome to you.

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(you can also respond here with whatever thoughts you'd like.)
« Last Edit: January 27, 2005, 01:52:36 PM by sshuffield70 »

melman1

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2005, 02:42:52 PM »
Please, please, PLEASE don't drag the muck of GSN's boards over here.

Why do you even bother with their boards?  You're obviously educated and have a decent grasp of English... which makes you an outsider there...
« Last Edit: January 27, 2005, 03:32:04 PM by melman1 »
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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2005, 03:47:41 PM »
[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 27 2005, 02:42 PM\']Why do you even bother with their boards?
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TheKid's reminiscings of old shows?
Lively discussions about Dodgeball?
Black & White Overnight Review?

There are plenty of good discussions over there, just as good as the ones here.

This can't be good for GSN. They can't afford to lose viewers like that, not in big markets. What else to they have to do keep themselves in the lower tier? I just think it's ironic that with all of the casino programming of late they get dropped in Las Vegas of all places.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2005, 04:01:56 PM by CarShark »

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2005, 04:08:58 PM »
[quote name=\'CarShark\' date=\'Jan 27 2005, 03:47 PM\']Lively discussions about Dodgeball?
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Ranting; followed by a series of: "gsn sucks they should stop showing dodgeball and air give 'n take instead" hardly quantifies as a "lively" discussion.
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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2005, 04:11:43 PM »
That's an EXCELLENT generalization, Mark.  You should be ever so proud.

I'm sure there are some people who are on the boards that:

1) enjoy Extreme Dodgeball (I've seen one episode from Season Two, and I enjoyed it)
2) can discuss it properly.

Don't lump everyone together just because of some bad eggs.
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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2005, 04:15:26 PM »
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 27 2005, 04:11 PM\']That's an EXCELLENT generalization, Mark.  You should be ever so proud.
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Have you ever visited the GSN boards?  It's filled with people who make it their daily habit to complain that GSN scrunched the ad for Crunch 'N Munch.  Last time I checked, their board had about 10 worthwhile posters.

If you want to defend that kind of behavior, go right ahead.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2005, 04:16:36 PM »
I'm not defending the (n-10) posters who post crap, I'm just saying that, as you admit, there ARE ten people who do post worthwhile stuff to the boards, even if it is the equivalent of UseNet by now.
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sshuffield70

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2005, 04:35:32 PM »
..........wonders if he's one of the ten..........

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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2005, 01:32:40 AM »
In regards to cable networks in general, it's strange that in order to get added to a cable system, the network has to pitch the niche.  In order to stay on, it has to ditch the niche.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2005, 10:31:41 AM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jan 28 2005, 01:32 AM\']In regards to cable networks in general, it's strange that in order to get added to a cable system, the network has to pitch the niche.  In order to stay on, it has to ditch the niche.
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An unfortunate thing that's happened too many times to too many cable channels...How I loved some cable channels when they started (Sci-Fi, Cartoon Network, et. al.) and how they've changed...

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2005, 10:49:19 AM »
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Jan 28 2005, 10:31 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jan 28 2005, 01:32 AM\']In regards to cable networks in general, it's strange that in order to get added to a cable system, the network has to pitch the niche.  In order to stay on, it has to ditch the niche.
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An unfortunate thing that's happened too many times to too many cable channels...How I loved some cable channels when they started (Sci-Fi, Cartoon Network, et. al.) and how they've changed...
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Scifi has a very good programming FAQ:

http://www.scifi.com/feedback/FAQ1.html
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2005, 10:57:23 AM »
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 28 2005, 10:49 AM\']
Scifi has a very good programming FAQ:

http://www.scifi.com/feedback/FAQ1.html
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That was wonderfully written. GSN should have something clear and concise like that, instead of having a long FAQ thread on their bulletin board section.

I knew something was amiss at Sci-Fi when they started running the "Flintstones" movies..

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Las Vegas Sun Article - 1/17/05
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2005, 11:32:42 AM »
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 28 2005, 08:49 AM\']Scifi has a very good programming FAQ:

http://www.scifi.com/feedback/FAQ1.html
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"Good" is understatement. That's incredible. Thanks for sharing that.

Man, the question about squeezing the credits should be stuck in OUR FAQ. But then I guess nobody in the GSN section would have anything to bitch about....
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