Author Topic: Jeopardy! Ultimate Tournament of Champions (Read 20869 times)

OntarioQuizzer · « **on:** February 07, 2005, 08:28:05 PM »

http://www.jeopardy.com/gena.pjw?cont=utoc...r2Up&cat=events

Includes the full field, and the players for the first 5 matches.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:02:49 PM »

I like how one spot has been reserved for "2005 Teen Tournament Champion", which of course THEY already know, but we won't know until tomorrow. What a roller coaster ride for that young person, to play in one tournament and immediately get swept into the Biggest Tournament Ever.

zachhoran · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:03:27 PM »

[quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 08:28 PM\']http://www.jeopardy.com/gena.pjw?cont=utoc...r2Up&cat=events

Includes the full field, and the players for the first 5 matches.

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At least two notable oversights: Bruce Seymour(Super J! champion of champions) and Claudia Perry. Any other surprises not on that list?

zachhoran · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:04:29 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 09:02 PM\']I like how one spot has been reserved for "2005 Teen Tournament Champion", which of course THEY already know, but we won't know until tomorrow. What a roller coaster ride for that young person, to play in one tournament and immediately get swept into the Biggest Tournament Ever.

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That's even odder considering the Teen champion no longer plays in the annual $250K TofC.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:09:45 PM »

[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 10:03 PM\'][quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 08:28 PM\']http://www.jeopardy.com/gena.pjw?cont=utoc...r2Up&cat=events

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At least two notable oversights: Bruce Seymour(Super J! champion of champions) and Claudia Perry. Any other surprises not on that list?[/quote]
Someone on the Jeopardy board pointed out that Bruce Seymour was only a four-day winner on his original appearance on Jeopardy, something I didn't know before and find surprising. If I'm making the list, I'd make an exception to include him by virtue of winning the Super Jeopardy tournament. But if their criteria was simply tourney and five-day winners -- and my understanding is that even some of THEM didn't make the cut -- then Bruce gets left out.

I don't remember Claudia Perry's situation, but four-day and even three-day champs made their way into ToC's all the time. She may also simply not have qualified under the structure they set up.

weaklink75 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:14:04 PM »

Well the "seeded" players in round two make pretty decent sense, and the early round payouts are pretty good as well, besides the finals. A lot of players will be getting a six figure payday even outside the top three it looks like.

zachhoran · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:32:01 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 09:09 PM\'][quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 10:03 PM\'][quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 08:28 PM\']http://www.jeopardy.com/gena.pjw?cont=utoc...r2Up&cat=events

Includes the full field, and the players for the first 5 matches.[/quote]

At least two notable oversights: Bruce Seymour(Super J! champion of champions) and Claudia Perry. Any other surprises not on that list?[/quote]

I don't remember Claudia Perry's situation, but four-day and even three-day champs made their way into ToC's all the time. She may also simply not have qualified under the structure they set up.

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Claudia was a four time champ, who lost in the semis of her TofC and competed in the Million Dollar Masters. Kerry Breitenbach, the only five time champ post-Kenjen, doesn't make the cut either. JJ Todor, the five-time champ currently being seen on the weekday GSN reruns, also doesn't make the cut. JJ's five day total was one of the smallest in the modern era, under $30K. They must have picked the highest scoring five time champs to fill out the field; Kerry would have won about $45K under the old system

mbclev · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:42:07 AM »

I just saw David Siegel's name in the list of tournament participants, and that is good news! I think he's been waiting for an opportunity like this ever since his infamous mistake that cost him the 1995 Tournament of Champions (for those who don't know, he forgot to phrase a Daily Double response in game one of that tournament's finals in the form of a question, and it ultimately cost him the tournament, because he wagered $800 on that Daily Double, and he lost to Ryan Holznagel by $1301, less than the $1600 turnaround that would have occurred had he phrased that response properly. That mistake was rerun four times in 2000 on Game Show Network, so I feel he's been needled about it, either in jest or maliciously, ever since, but like the Boston Red Sox did in '04, I think he can put away his misery if he advances far enough).

clemon79 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2005, 02:04:22 AM »

[quote name=\'mbclev\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 11:42 PM\']he forgot to phrase a Daily Double response in game one of that tournament's finals in the form of a question, and it ultimately cost him the tournament, because he wagered $800 on that Daily Double, and he lost to Ryan Holznagel by $1301, less than the $1600 turnaround that would have occurred had he phrased that response properly.
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...or maybe (well, no, likely) that $1,600 swing would have caused all of the bets in both final games to be completely different, and he would have lost by even more, or less.

Claiming that a DD wager in Game One cost someone the whole tournament is a pretty ridiculous claim, considering all of the variables that are altered from the point of that wager on forward.

mbclev · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2005, 02:11:02 AM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 8 2005, 02:04 AM\']
Claiming that a DD wager in Game One cost someone the whole tournament is a pretty ridiculous claim, considering all of the variables that are altered from the point of that wager on forward.

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I'm only going by my reaction at the time I initially watched this tournament. I added the $1600 turnaround in when the final scores went up, and naturally, I was quite upset. People may not remember incorrect responses, but they usually remember egregious rule violations, and if David had followed the rules on that Daily Double, he would have won the $100,000.

clemon79 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2005, 02:17:30 AM »

[quote name=\'mbclev\' date=\'Feb 8 2005, 12:11 AM\']I'm only going by my reaction at the time I initially watched this tournament. I added the $1600 turnaround in when the final scores went up, and naturally, I was quite upset.
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That's fine. Logically, however, it's still rather invalid, is all I'm saying.

OntarioQuizzer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2005, 03:32:37 AM »

[quote name=\'mbclev\' date=\'Feb 8 2005, 01:42 AM\']I think he's been waiting for an opportunity like this ever since his infamous mistake that cost him the 1995 Tournament of Champions

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I refuted you on the J! Boards about this.

And it looks like Mr. Lemon has done the same here.

Your arguments are overly simplified and superficial.

OntarioQuizzer · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2005, 03:36:04 AM »

[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 7 2005, 09:32 PM\']Claudia was a four time champ, who lost in the semis of her TofC and competed in the Million Dollar Masters. Kerry Breitenbach, the only five time champ post-Kenjen, doesn't make the cut either. JJ Todor, the five-time champ currently being seen on the weekday GSN reruns, also doesn't make the cut. JJ's five day total was one of the smallest in the modern era, under $30K. They must have picked the highest scoring five time champs to fill out the field; Kerry would have won about $45K under the old system

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Yes. The cut was 5 wins and $48,800.

TPTB at Jeopardy halved the totals of the post-doubling contestants in order to seed the field. That means Breitenbach and a few others failed to qualify.

A few other players (Larry McKnight, Amanda Goad, Michael Block, etc.) weren't on the list - I'm presuming they were either unable to play or were unable to be located.

zachhoran · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2005, 07:44:58 AM »

[quote name=\'OntarioQuizzer\' date=\'Feb 8 2005, 03:36 AM\']

A few other players (Larry McKnight, Amanda Goad, Michael Block, etc.) weren't on the list - I'm presuming they were either unable to play or were unable to be located.

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Are there any players from the first Trebek season in the tourney? TofC winner Jerry Frankel passed away at least a dozen years ago, so he naturally won't be there

Don Howard · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2005, 08:38:00 AM »

[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 8 2005, 07:44 AM\']Are there any players from the first Trebek season in the tourney? TofC winner Jerry Frankel passed away at least a dozen years ago, so he naturally won't be there

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Actually, he will be there. He'll be propped in a corner next to Art Fleming. NO ONE!!!! is excluded from this Tournament Of Tournaments.