Author Topic: Jeopardy!: Ultimate ToC vs. Super J! (Read 5441 times)

jmangin · « **on:** March 25, 2005, 07:57:26 PM »

Has anyone tallied the number of contestants who have played in both tournaments so far?

zachhoran · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2005, 08:15:52 PM »

[quote name=\'jmangin\' date=\'Mar 25 2005, 07:57 PM\']Has anyone tallied the number of contestants who have played in both tournaments so far?

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Brian Wangsgard, Eugene Finerman, Mark Lowenthal, Tom Cubbage, Leah Greenwald, Dave Traini, Bob Blake, Michael Rankins, Sandra Gore, and Jeff Richmond are people from this tournament(seen so far) who did the Super J! tourney as well.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2005, 11:15:17 PM »

Though it's been mentioned elsewhere, it bears repeating again in this thread that one Super Jeopardy veteran that you won't be seeing in the UTOC is its champion, Bruce Seymour. Seymour was originally a four-day champion, and while exceptions were made for four-day winners who went on to win their Tournament of Champions, an exception does not appear to have been made in Seymour's case.

Another Super Jeopardy veteran who won't be playing is Burns Cameron, who represented the original Art Fleming version with his appearance. Sony's Jeopardy board has several members who raised a bit of a stink because Mr. Cameron was not invited.

Statistics and records on the official Jeopardy site do not take into account Super Jeopardy winnings, although they're letting the UTOC players include those winnings in the biographies the players are writing. For the record, Bruce Seymour's winnings on Super Jeopardy would place him fifth on the all-time Jeopardy money-winning list, behind Ken Jennings, Brad Rutter and the two most recent ToC winners, who each pocketed $250K in their tournaments (also the top prize in Super Jeopardy). Several players are close enough to pass him with a decent showing in the UToC, even if they don't finish in the big-money top three.

zachhoran · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2005, 08:03:22 AM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Mar 25 2005, 11:15 PM\']Though it's been mentioned elsewhere, it bears repeating again in this thread that one Super Jeopardy veteran that you won't be seeing in the UTOC is its champion, Bruce Seymour.
Another Super Jeopardy veteran who won't be playing is Burns Cameron, who represented the original Art Fleming version with his appearance. Sony's Jeopardy board has several members who raised a bit of a stink because Mr. Cameron was not invited.

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I'd have liked to see J. Wo.(AKA Jay Wolpert, who won a TofC in 1969) as a representative for the Fleming J!. There are also some players in this tourney that were not on Super J! but whose original J! appearances predate it, i.e. the 1987 and 1988 teen champs, John Ryan, Jay Rosenberg, Michael Day, John Genova, Paul Boymel, and perhaps a few others.

Sonic Whammy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:24:49 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Mar 25 2005, 11:15 PM\']Though it's been mentioned elsewhere, it bears repeating again in this thread that one Super Jeopardy veteran that you won't be seeing in the UTOC is its champion, Bruce Seymour. Seymour was originally a four-day champion, and while exceptions were made for four-day winners who went on to win their Tournament of Champions, an exception does not appear to have been made in Seymour's case.

Another Super Jeopardy veteran who won't be playing is Burns Cameron, who represented the original Art Fleming version with his appearance. Sony's Jeopardy board has several members who raised a bit of a stink because Mr. Cameron was not invited.

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Gotta admit disappointment to seeing that Bruce Seymour wasn't on the list for this tournament. I was personally banking that he could've made a run past the first couple of rounds. He's only one of three to beat Bob Verini, which isn't easy to do.

And on the lines of Burns Cameron not being invited, I can sort of see that for two reasons: He may be dead now, and even if he wasn't, you can imagine his age today immensely slowing his reflexes down. I'd imagine the suggestion of having Jay Wolpert compete would come down to the same reflex factor (if the fact that he was also in this business wasn't enough reason not to invite him).

Once again, the thoughts of what could have been...

Robert Hutchinson · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2005, 06:25:58 PM »

[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' date=\'Mar 27 2005, 02:24 PM\']And on the lines of Burns Cameron not being invited, I can sort of see that for two reasons: He may be dead now, and even if he wasn't, you can imagine his age today immensely slowing his reflexes down.[/quote]

1) Burns is not dead.

2) Age didn't stop them from inviting several other past champions who would qualify for a Seniors Tournament today.

I'm sorry they didn't invite him, but any tournament of this type has to have some sort of arbitrary cutoff, and theirs (Trebek version, extant tournament winners and/or biggest 5-time winners) didn't include him.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2005, 10:31:40 PM »

[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Mar 27 2005, 07:25 PM\']1) Burns is not dead. [/quote]
Not only that, but as Robert knows, he's quite active on Sony's Jeopardy forum, and truth be told, a little disappointed himself that Sony didn't invite him. Also, as Robert says, Jeopardy came up with their set of qualifications and held to it. There were even a couple dozen five-time winners who didn't get invited because there were only so many openings and their scores weren't high enough. One thing Jeopardy did NOT do was make an arbitrary judgment over how sharp someone's reflexes may or may not be.