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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2005, 10:05:08 AM »
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 29 2005, 08:34 AM\']True. But I've seen 3 of the 5 episodes. Granted not in edited form.

I hope I'm wrong.
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I'm hoping the editing staff at Endermol USA can make the final cuts smooth to watch.  Unlike LMAD'03, the editing was choppy and there were frequent voice-over inserts.

Hopefully the presentation will have a live, natural feel.  Doesn't have to be overly-dramatic like Fear Factor.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2005, 11:07:36 AM »
What I'm really hoping for is that it just goes into syndication.  Highly unlikely I know, but I think the format they have now is better for syndication.  Also, the syndication version might be a bit more exciting.  The payout would possibly be $100,000 or $200,000, possibly $250,000 like in the UK version.  You won't have people risking $500,000 on a 50/50 shot for a million with $100 left with it, but you have a chance of seeing someone risking $100,000 on a 50/50 shot for either     $2(0/5)0,000 or $100.  I just feel this show would fare better daily, but I'm expecting great things on NBC.  They are plugging the hell out of it, I've even heard about some radio ads for it.  There are few shows more exciting than this.  So what if it's not the most intelligent show.  Most people on NBC see people eat bull testicles for $50,000.  I doubt they're going to lose a great deal of people on a game of luck and guts.

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2005, 11:55:42 AM »
All of the quibbles about "DOND" are legitimate.  Yet the damn thing has been successful in almost every country it's been on.

Granted, just because a format is big elsewhere doesn't mean it'll be big here ("I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!", anyone?), but NBC's doing exactly what ABC did with "WWTBAM"--give it big play in a dead period for programming, with no major challenges.  The big surprise here is if it *doesn't* get any sampling.

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2005, 12:46:35 PM »
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Nov 29 2005, 08:07 AM\']Most people on NBC see people eat bull testicles for $50,000.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2005, 02:21:55 PM »
I've been copying several different versions of this show for some traders (Dutch, German, especially Australian) and I think, if NBC does it right, it could be a hit. I think it would be a bigger prime access hit though, as the Australians air it with a $200K top prize at 5 or 5:30 in the afternoon, and it's been working there for some time.

But nonetheless, there is a lot of game on this show. Just watching a few episodes this past turkey week, I've had a lot of mouth-dropping moments. The "WTF Do They Think They're Doing?!" statement runs through mine and the fiancee's head a lot.

It's a good show because there is the possibility of many split-second moments where the aforementioned Joe Schmo could lose everything. I look forward to it, and my bet says that if the show is well-done, it will be a hit.

(I only wish that our version could have the contestants open the cases, but that's a minor quibble.)
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2005, 08:39:05 PM »
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 29 2005, 08:34 AM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 11:30 PM\'][quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 08:25 PM\']Nothing wrong with discussion of the future of this show. That's what we're here to do; discuss.

Bottom line is that it's a glorified lottery show and nothing more.
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I don't disagree. But I think there's a difference between saying that and saying it's gonna be pulled after 3 of the 5 eps that have already been shot.
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True. But I've seen 3 of the 5 episodes. Granted not in edited form.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Out of curiosity, since you've seen 3 of the 5, why are you worried about the show?

If anything, I see this more as a pilot for syndication if anything.

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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2005, 11:35:22 PM »
A lot depends on NBC's expectations I think. It is Mid-December, and most shows on the other networks are going to be in reruns, plus it is in the middle of the holiday season, so they may be expecting OK, but not gangbuster ratings. If they have a decent sampling with good 18-49's and the ratings hold steady or increase throughout the week, it might come back for another run later on in March or something like that (NBC's winter/spring schedule is going to be messed up as it is because of the Olympics in February).

If NBC brings it back as a weekly in the spring, there are a couple of options: If Fear Factor's revamp tanks on Tuesday nights, you could see it go to that slot, or possibly Wednesday nights at 8 as cannon fodder against American Idol (There are rumors that Fox is moving AI to a Wednesday performance/Thursday results cycle this season because Fox needs more help those nights). Let's see how the first run goes however.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2005, 12:00:22 AM »
I'd like to believe at least a second run of 5 episodes will come to fruition, possibly during the summer of 2006. In reality, though, I don't believe that, unless its ratings get into the top 15 in the Nielsens making it at least NBC's second highest rated primetime program, that it will run past its original 5 episodes. *sigh* :(
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2005, 01:18:53 AM »
[quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 11:25 PM\']Bottom line is that it's a glorified lottery show and nothing more.
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I tell ya, some of you are making this worldwide phenomenon of a game look no better than Martha's Apprentice.

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2005, 02:48:43 AM »
[quote name=\'whammy5000\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 01:18 AM\']I tell ya, some of you are making this worldwide phenomenon of a game look no better than Martha's Apprentice.
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...And your point is?  Braindead game for a braindead audience, apparently.

Let's Make a Deal at least had a handful of games that required you to price items, or have some knowledge of something (foreign currencies, etc.)  DOND is no better then a glorified version of the Wisconsin Lottery Moneygame, bar none, one of the worst gameshows ever.
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2005, 03:00:24 AM »
Mark, with all respect, just WATCH the show first. So what if it seems like a glorified lottery game. If that's the case, so was Treasure Hunt, which was a pretty enjoyable show.

We finally get a new show, and you guys still want to complain. If you really want another run of "Meet My Folks", be my guest. At least NBC is going for a traditional game show, without any reality gimmicks.
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2005, 05:22:35 AM »
To call DoND "braindead" suggests you're looking but not seeing, it's a show with hidden depth. Theory and strategy fans will have a field day (yes, really), and bank offers are pitched in such a way to encourage discussion (before you ask: offers are worked out to a formula which spits out an upper and lower boundary. Depending on psychological factors (is the player looking confident? Who is having the better run of luck? Has the player rather stupidly revealed how much they're hoping to take away?) the Banker picks a value towards one of the boundries).

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2005, 09:32:25 AM »
Random comment: looks like NBC has chosen their slate of contestii for DoND from the same stable as Dog Eat Dog...no "real people" who look like...well, me, the lady upstairs, or the mailman. Disappointing. What harm would there have been to do some kind of phone game, or one contestant on each show from each of the 50 states who compete in even a luck-based game to pick a case?

I know the game proper takes zero booksmarts, but it would have been nice to see Earl from Idaho take home a few hundred Gs.

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2005, 09:35:49 AM »
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 09:32 AM\']What harm would there have been to do some kind of phone game, or one contestant on each show from each of the 50 states who compete in even a luck-based game to pick a case?
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2005, 01:44:43 PM »
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 06:32 AM\']Random comment: looks like NBC has chosen their slate of contestii for DoND from the same stable as Dog Eat Dog...no "real people" who look like...well, me...
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I don't know what *you* look like, but I'd like to respond.

I worked DoND and among the several old friends on that staff with whom I've toiled many times before was the lovely Judy Helm. Judy was the Producer in charge of selecting and working with the contestants and their families for DoND, and we talked about the specific challenges she faced in casting this show.

Do you want a dose of reality on reality TV?

First, know that Judy is a graduate of the Goodson-Todman empire who has worked her way through the contestant casting trenches for literally decades. There may be nobody better at filling the the Exec Producers' and network's/distributor's needs. The job is not easy.

To your point on appearance, the thinking at the programming level is that America is not interested in seeing people who are not somewhat photogenic. It's a visual medium, and it's all about entertainment. The contestants on game and reality shows are the stars of the show and they must be emotionally accessible and likeable; appearance is part of that package. No contestant coordinator or producer is going to submit non-photohenic prospects to their bosses. Lower points on appearance can be compensated for by personality traits and other factors, but I expect you will never see anyone who is difficult to look at. And that's no different than the generic but pleasant faces of strangers you see in picture frames when you buy them at Target.

But believe it or not, the hardest part of casting DoND was finding people who express their on-going internal decision-making dialogue very naturally, have up-beat attitudes, AND have relatives and friends who could do the same. They all need to have an exuberant and fun chemistry when they interact. Beyond that, the story behind the relationships of the contestants' friends helps to make it all interesting viewing. Remember, this is a show that makes an hour out of what would be a three minute segment on TPiR or LMAD. It's all hinges on casting contestants whom the home viewer can relate to, care about, and root for... for a long stretch of time.

It's about commerce, not community service. There is no heavenly bestowed right to appear on entertainment TV. But even the most "plain" looking people can be welcomed with open arms by contestant coordinators if they are naturally expressive and enthusiastic, and have an interesting story about themselves. Even in the few seconds that Trebeck speaks with the contestants on Jeopardy! almost all of them are able to project some kind of personality, style or positive image. None say "I've auditioned for your crappy show a dozen times and you sons of bitches have always blown me off. Well I'm here now and plan to walk away with all of your damn money!" Well, none until Matt auditioned!   ;-P

If somebody feels they MUST appear on television and can't project that kind of personality, I suggest  thinking about very unique sideshow skills, news programming, or perhaps shows like "Cops". Otherwise you're relegated to the Jerry Springer and Maury tier. And apparently there's no shortage of people who will stop at nothing for their hour on the tube!


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