Author Topic: DoND rules question (Read 7305 times)

SRIV94 · « **on:** November 30, 2005, 03:51:05 PM »

If someone would please explain to me one basic structure of DoND, I'd appreciate it. Are the telecasts designed so that only one player plays for the entire hour, or will several people get the opportunity throughout a given episode?

Or does it vary by country--meaning how the USA does it may not be indicative of how it's done in other locales?

Thanks.

Doug

itiparanoid13 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2005, 04:05:16 PM »

From what I know, it's one contestant per show. They eliminate cases each round. The number goes down each round. This will probably be the number eliminate each time

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BANK OFFER
5
BANK OFFER
4
BANK OFFER
3
BANK OFFER
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BANK OFFER
1
BANKOFFER
Repeat 1/bank offer until the end.

This is the number the countries with 26 cases go. 22 goes differently, I'm not quite sure how. The bank offer isn't the mean of all the values left. Honestly, I don't think anyone has a clear idea of how they get bank offers. The only time the value is the mean of the remaining values is usually, or at least in theory it should be, the final bank offer. Of course, theory is wrong a lot.

I really think this game could be better in the USA if they had a straddling format. If someone takes an early round 2 or round 3 offer, I don't think many, including me, would stick around for 20+ minutes to see what they could have had. I'll tune in during the last minutes. Cut to what they had and get on with another game.

Also, NBC will have an "on camera" banker. The banker will be shadowed with monitors surrounding him and a laptop in which I assume he puts in bankers. Before we get into it, the banker is for real and literally does the bank offers. No surprises of mystery celebrities being bankers. The banker will be heard over a phone during the main game. Only the player or Howie will hear the banker. They will just covey some messages to us. I'll upload a picture gallery for Buzzer tonight of the new preview images, unless someone can get it to the computer.

cmjb13 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2005, 04:06:27 PM »

The 3 episodes shot that I saw mostly one contestant per hour.

IIRC, one show spilled into another. So in that case, you'd get 2 contestants per show, but only 1 would be starting from scratch.

mmb5 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2005, 08:38:18 PM »

In the U.K. it's 5-3-3-3-3-3. Through the magic of the Internet I now have 5 U.K. episodes if people are interested.

--Mike

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2005, 10:59:30 PM »

[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 05:05 PM\']The only time the value is the mean of the remaining values is usually, or at least in theory it should be, the final bank offer. Of course, theory is wrong a lot. [/quote]
I see no reason at all why the final Bank Offer must be the mean value of the final two cases. If the last two cases were a penny and a million, wouldn't just about everybody happily agree to $500,000 vs the possibility of nothing? In that unlikely situation, my guess would be that the Offer would be much lower. We've also learned in another thread that the Bank takes into account a contestant's behavior.

I believe in this case, your "theory" is indeed very wrong.

Brig Bother · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2005, 07:04:31 AM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 1 2005, 03:59 AM\'][quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 05:05 PM\']The only time the value is the mean of the remaining values is usually, or at least in theory it should be, the final bank offer. Of course, theory is wrong a lot. [/quote]
I see no reason at all why the final Bank Offer must be the mean value of the final two cases. If the last two cases were a penny and a million, wouldn't just about everybody happily agree to $500,000 vs the possibility of nothing? In that unlikely situation, my guess would be that the Offer would be much lower. We've also learned in another thread that the Bank takes into account a contestant's behavior.

I believe in this case, your "theory" is indeed very wrong.

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Funnily enough, the offers are deliberately set towards the mean at the end because basically, the audience is too thick to understand utility theory. So there we are.

tvrandywest · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2005, 04:30:26 PM »

[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Nov 30 2005, 01:05 PM\']From what I know, it's one contestant per show. They eliminate cases each round. The number goes down each round. This will probably be the number eliminate each time

6
BANK OFFER
5
BANK OFFER
4
BANK OFFER
3
BANK OFFER
2
BANK OFFER
1
BANKOFFER
Repeat 1/bank offer until the end.

... Before we get into it, the banker is for real and literally does the bank offers. No surprises of mystery celebrities being bankers. The banker will be heard over a phone during the main game. Only the player or Howie will hear the banker. They will just covey some messages to us...

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Now that the names of contestants have been released (see other post), I can clarify the format a bit. Once a contestant's fate is determined, a new player is introduced on the same show. His play continues until the hour is up, and he returns on the next episode.

The briefcases are eliminated and offers made by the banker as described by itaparanoid, except that when we get down to the last two cases, the player may swap his for the last remaining model's case.

As for how "real" the "banker" is, some illusions are better left intact. But I will say that this is the only "banker" I've had lunch with who was discussing his latest auditions! ;-)

Randy
tvrandywest.com

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2005, 05:32:56 PM »

[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 3 2005, 05:30 PM\']Now that the names of contestants have been released (see other post), I can clarify the format a bit. Once a contestant's fate is determined, a new player is introduced on the same show. His play continues until the hour is up, and he returns on the next episode.[/quote]
Score one for the straddlers!

In theory, the game could be over after the first bank offer, though I realize that's spectacularly unlikely. Still, it's nice to know that the editors won't have to get rid of prime Howie material just to force an episode into an artificial time constraint.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:45:45 AM »

Here's another question I don't think I've seen answered yet.

Does the Banker know what's in the player's briefcase, and is that information used in determining the Bank Offer?

cmjb13 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:56:01 AM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 6 2005, 10:45 AM\']Here's another question I don't think I've seen answered yet.

Does the Banker know what's in the player's briefcase, and is that information used in determining the Bank Offer?

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I was told that nobody knows, not even the producers, which amount is in which case.

I have no reason to doubt, but I figure someone would know.

NickS · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:09:31 AM »

FWIW, the UK version will keep on going after a deal has been made, just to show you what other people had in their boxes and what the banker would have offered -- so it's the Monty Hall "Here's what you *could* have won" moment(s).

Somewhat on-topic -- *if* this does go daytime, they really need to go with a set of contestants that are holding the briefcases, knowing that each contestant will get a chance to play. It, IMO, really helps you root for a contestant to win, because they are all acting like a team. Just my opinion.

And Matt -- Noel says that there's an adjucator that is the *ONLY* person that knows what the values are -- no one else.

tvmitch · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:46:37 AM »

I like the thing with switching your briefcase with the last model's case in the last round. Brings about thoughts of a lot of Monty Hall theories.

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:53:24 AM »

[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Dec 6 2005, 12:46 PM\']I like the thing with switching your briefcase with the last model's case in the last round. Brings about thoughts of a lot of Monty Hall theories.[/quote]
Except it doesn't. It's just two random boxes. There's absolutely zero game theory at work when you've been picking blindly the entire time.

The reason the Monty Hall theories (especially The Monty Hall Problem) are so interesting is because Monty knows what's what and he's using that information to manipulate the outcomes. DOND has none of that, especially if not even the Banker knows what the contestant has in his briefcase (which is what people seem to be saying).

Brig Bother · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:06:46 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Dec 6 2005, 04:53 PM\'] DOND has none of that, especially if not even the Banker knows what the contestant has in his briefcase (which is what people seem to be saying).

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No he doesn't.

Except apparently he does in the Italian version. Make of that what you will.

Brig Bother · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:10:48 PM »

[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' date=\'Dec 6 2005, 05:06 PM\']Except apparently he does in the Italian version. Make of that what you will.

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I'm also told that in the Italian show, the player can make a bid to the banker via the phone who can either deal, or exclaim "that's too much" and allow them to swap the box with another one.