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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: comicus on March 29, 2006, 09:03:51 AM
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/3751700.html (http://\"http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/3751700.html\")
[indent]Game-show fans will have to pay extra for channel
Time Warner subscribers who like GSN, a digital cable channel offering new and off-network game shows, will have to pony up an additional $3 a month to get it beginning Friday.
TW says it's moving the network, which will stay on Channel 339, to its sports tier, where it will be bundled with Fox regional sports channels, Speed Channel, CSTV and Outdoor Channel. The cable company said low ratings dictated the change.[/indent]
Time to switch to Dish or DirecTV?
(Advertising removed. -DZ)
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At least those TW subscribers have an option to keep GSN... here in Rochester it was deleted outright rather than moved, and since no warning was given we didn't even have a chance to protest before it happened.
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Dropped outright in the Austin area, too, though it's on expanded basic on the cable system my apartment uses.
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Dropped outright in the Austin area
That's interesting; further down the road here in San Antonio it's channel 78 on basic cable.
--Jamie
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67 here in Akron-Canton.
People seem to like Time-Warner now...but this wasnt always the case...:-)
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'114615\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 09:03 AM\']Time Warner subscribers who like GSN, a digital cable channel offering new and off-network game shows, will have to pony up an additional $3 a month to get it beginning Friday.[/quote]
The way that's written, it almost sounds like GSN is a stand-alone pay channel. When you consider that the three dollars also includes a package of niche sports channels, it doesn't seem quite as bad. I certainly see Cronin's point that GSN isn't a sports channel, but as he also said, they don't really have a lot of leverage. I think they should count their blessings that it wasn't dropped altogether.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'114648\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 03:40 PM\']
When you consider that the three dollars includes a package of niche sports channels in addition to GSN.
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How much would one be willing to pay extra just for GSN is a good question? $10 is the absolute most on my end.
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Here in Charlotte,GSN is now bundled with NBATV,Fuel,3 Fox College Sports channels, and the Outdoor Network.Speed Channel is still on basic as it's based here.
Travis D. McLemore,Jr.
"I think I'm in a deli...I'm on a roll!"
Mr. Baggy Pants,"Remote Control"
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[quote name=\'mclemore63\' post=\'114681\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 06:30 PM\']
Here in Charlotte,GSN is now bundled with NBATV,Fuel,3 Fox College Sports channels, and the Outdoor Network.Speed Channel is still on basic as it's based here.
Travis D. McLemore,Jr.
"I think I'm in a deli...I'm on a roll!"
Mr. Baggy Pants,"Remote Control"
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Damn that Anything To Win!
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' post=\'114679\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 07:07 PM\']How much would one be willing to pay extra just for GSN is a good question? $10 is the absolute most on my end.[/quote]
The federal government is leaning on cable and satellite companies to move more toward a la carte pricing, so that may not end up being a hypothetical question. If it comes to that, I would think that the content providers with leverage would end up with even more power than they have now and GSN would have an even harder time surviving.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' post=\'114679\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 07:07 PM\']
How much would one be willing to pay extra just for GSN is a good question? $10 is the absolute most on my end.
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$20. So sue me, I'm a gameshow whore! :-(
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'114638\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 03:11 PM\']
Dropped outright in the Austin area
That's interesting; further down the road here in San Antonio it's channel 78 on basic cable.
--Jamie
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Not anymore. Being moved to a "sports tier" in the near future. GSN brought the mega-Chuck Woolery-bobblehead to town to drum up support to stay basic.
Greg Vallejo
P.S. Since it's being moved to the "sports tier," I wonder if the rebranding may be to blame... ;)
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[quote name=\'mclemore63\' post=\'114681\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 06:30 PM\']
Speed Channel is still on basic as it's based here.
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Not to mention the fact that Charlotte is NASCAR country...and NASCAR's highest Neilsen ratings come from this market.
I'm pretty confident that if Speed Channel was based in California, it would still be on basic.
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'114708\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 07:34 PM\']
$20. So sue me, I'm a gameshow whore! :-(
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Wow. I won't pay fifteen bones a month for HBO. There is NO WAY I would pay even ten for GSN. I wouldn't pay five.
(Right now I pay the cable company, what, $55 or so a month after all taxes and fees and crap, for by my count 103 channels, whatever they give me On Demand for free (which ain't chicken feed, considering they carry local hockey games the day after), and an assload of music channels. So call that .50 per channel. Less, even. Make no mistake, a la carte pricing is gonna drive your bill UP, not down.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'114731\' date=\'Mar 30 2006, 12:29 AM\'](Right now I pay the cable company, what, $55 or so a month after all taxes and fees and crap, for by my count 103 channels, whatever they give me On Demand for free (which ain't chicken feed, considering they carry local hockey games the day after), and an assload of music channels. So call that .50 per channel. Less, even. Make no mistake, a la carte pricing is gonna drive your bill UP, not down.)[/quote]
Realizing we're drifting OT here, the problem with that line of reasoning is that it assumes you're going to want anywhere close to that many stations if/when a la carte happens. The theoretical idea behind supporters of a la carte is that people will only choose a small number of channels (popular wisdom says about twenty, plus locals), and even if they pay a couple of bucks each for them, they still come out ahead. The truth is that nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but it will certainly disrupt the industry something fierce.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'114734\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 09:42 PM\']
Realizing we're drifting OT here, the problem with that line of reasoning is that it assumes you're going to want anywhere close to that many stations if/when a la carte happens. The theoretical idea behind supporters of a la carte is that people will only choose a small number of channels (popular wisdom says about twenty, plus locals), and even if they pay a couple of bucks each for them, they still come out ahead. The truth is that nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but it will certainly disrupt the industry something fierce.
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I agree, but me and Travis were actually just discussing that, and it's my opinion that while it's a noble idea, those people are gonna find that they have twenty channels plus locals and are still paying the same $50 they were before any kind of a la carte system was put into place.
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Time-Warner dropped GSN from my service here in Clinton over a year ago and there's still an empty channel where it used to be. I called my cable company about it several times, and this most recent time they told me that Comcast was taking over Time-Warner here in the Greater Jackson Mississippi area. Hopefully what this means is that we will either get GSN back after over a year or get a new channel.
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[quote name=\'BrownBoyUT\' post=\'114724\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 10:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'114638\' date=\'Mar 29 2006, 03:11 PM\']
Dropped outright in the Austin area
That's interesting; further down the road here in San Antonio it's channel 78 on basic cable.
--Jamie
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Not anymore. Being moved to a "sports tier" in the near future. GSN brought the mega-Chuck Woolery-bobblehead to town to drum up support to stay basic.
Greg Vallejo
P.S. Since it's being moved to the "sports tier," I wonder if the rebranding may be to blame... ;)
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I think to most who have seen this, yes, it's the rebranding. When you've put up blackjack, poker, dodgeball, ADD, and ATW, what do they all have in common? Yep, they're all related to stuff found on ESPN and FSN. And while I don't think Cronin had a sports network in mind when the rebranding was thought of, the result of what WAS done since is this.
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I may lose Time Warner. Today, I saw the on air announcement that GSN is being dropped, effective May 1. Can switch to Cablevision? I wonder...
David
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[quote name=\'GSFan\' post=\'116612\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 03:24 PM\']
I may lose Time Warner. Today, I saw the on air announcement that GSN is being dropped, effective May 1. Can switch to Cablevision? I wonder...
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Unless things have changed recently, Cablevision covers Brooklyn and the Bronx while Time Warner covers the other three boroughs; no part of New York City is serviced by both cable companies. Some parts of NYC have an alternative in RCN, but I don't know if RCN carries GSN.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'116613\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 02:31 PM\']
Unless things have changed recently, Cablevision covers Brooklyn and the Bronx while Time Warner covers the other three boroughs; no part of New York City is serviced by both cable companies. Some parts of NYC have an alternative in RCN, but I don't know if RCN carries GSN.
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From a cursory glance at tvguide.com (just changing my zip code to pretend that I live in NYC), they do not. I find it odd that they do carry WGN, while most of the other cable systems in NYC and Long Island do not.
Must be a lot of Cubbies fans in that part of Manhattan. :-)
Doug -- and the countdown to 1900 continues
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I find it odd that they do carry WGN, while most of the other cable systems in NYC and Long Island do not.
WGN wasn't even listed in the regular New York Metropolitan edition of TVGuide before the digest format ended, but there were a lot of full-page ads for WGN programming in that edition. I haven't seen one of the NYC cable editions in a long time, but I'd imagine it was listed in the specific cable edition only.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'116613\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 02:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'GSFan\' post=\'116612\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 03:24 PM\']
I may lose Time Warner. Today, I saw the on air announcement that GSN is being dropped, effective May 1. Can switch to Cablevision? I wonder...
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Unless things have changed recently, Cablevision covers Brooklyn and the Bronx while Time Warner covers the other three boroughs; no part of New York City is serviced by both cable companies. Some parts of NYC have an alternative in RCN, but I don't know if RCN carries GSN.
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Are you able to have a sattelite dish? That might be your best bet.
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UPDATE[/u]: I talked to a TWC phone rep. here in NYC and GSN will stay put on the system. Apparently negotiations between Time Warner and GSN lasted until the last possible moment and they compromised. From posts on the GSN Forum this has also affected Upstate NY systems that were taken off, so GSN may just return to TWC systems that it has disappeared from (like Houston). Glad this didn't end up like the Lifetime-Direct TV fight, which is still ongoing with Direct TV still blocking Lifetime fans from seeing that station on their satellite service.
Darn it, and I just spent a month researching HDTV's and satellite programming packages that I was going to switch to when GSN disappeared from my TWC system. :-(
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GSN has told me that they are in final negotiations to keep it in the digital tier.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'117351\' date=\'Apr 30 2006, 08:02 AM\']
GSN has told me that they are in final negotiations to keep it in the digital tier.
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Good! Maybe they will get a clue and take off all the sports related programming, since that's where TWC was gonna put them,
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Maybe they will get a clue and take off all the sports related programming, since that's where TWC was gonna put them
Down here in San Antonio, it's been on the sports tier since April 1. Nope, no new I've Got a Secret for us! Boo.
I'd been very tempted to press the "buy" button and pay the extra $6.95 per month. Now with this new development, I'd hate to purchase that tier only for them to move GSN back to 78. Sheesh.
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'117329\' date=\'Apr 29 2006, 08:20 PM\']Glad this didn't end up like the Lifetime-Direct TV fight, which is still ongoing with Direct TV still blocking Lifetime fans from seeing that station on their satellite service.[/quote]
That is Dish Network, actually, which has historically had many more of these types of disputes than DirecTV has had (in other words, DirecTV caves in easier).