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Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: FlashStash on April 26, 2006, 07:42:32 AM
from cynopsis.com...

"Coming from across the pond and from Endemol USA is 1 vs. 100, a game show where a contestant who correctly answers a series of trivia questions, could win up to $3 million, according to Variety. Picked up by NBC, the series is from the same folks who bring you Deal or No Deal, and uses some of the same game show devices, including being given a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time. No word yet on who Endemol and NBC will name as a host, but that piece is of course critical to any game show's success. Who would you put in? The list of who not put in is considerably easier. "

FS
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 26, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
I'm waiting for Mike to chime in with me on this one.  1 VS 100 is a terrific show and is what the main game of Winning Lines should have always been.  Dutch version has a great music score also.  It's a nice little tough trivia game.  The only difference from the Dutch version is the massive payout (1 VS 100 is basically when Miljoenenjacht runs out of money) and appparently we're giving people the option to stop.  How many people are going to cry Millionaire-clone?  BTW, the season finale of 1 VS 100 airs on Talpa at 3:45 this Sunday.  I think we can post a link up so you can get a feel for it.
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: FlashStash on April 26, 2006, 12:49:44 PM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'117034\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 09:33 AM\']
I'm waiting for Mike to chime in with me on this one.  1 VS 100 is a terrific show and is what the main game of Winning Lines should have always been.  Dutch version has a great music score also.  It's a nice little tough trivia game.  The only difference from the Dutch version is the massive payout (1 VS 100 is basically when Miljoenenjacht runs out of money) and appparently we're giving people the option to stop.  How many people are going to cry Millionaire-clone?  BTW, the season finale of 1 VS 100 airs on Talpa at 3:45 this Sunday.  I think we can post a link up so you can get a feel for it.
[/quote]

Is there a link somewhere to the rules of the game?

FS
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 26, 2006, 02:56:02 PM
Not really, but this is how it goes.

100 audience members, 1 player, 1 host.  The host reads a category, and the contestant chooses a medium or hard question.  The 101 players get the same question.  Audience members have about 10 seconds to lock in their answer, and the hot seat player has unlimited time.  Every audience member that is incorrect is out of the game.  Every audience member correct stays in the game.  If the hot seat player answers a question wrong ever (they don't get the option to stop), the game is over and they lose everything.  If the hot seat player gets it right, they get ($50,000/# of active audience players) per audience member gone, so the first question is worth $500 per audience member out.  

If the player gets stuck, he/she gets three chances to get the answer right automatically.  However, it'll cost 25%, 50%, and then 75% of his/her bank at that point.  The player can also choose to double the question value, so if you use the double at the correct time and eliminate the rest of the audience, that question is worth $100,000.  The only way to win is to knock out all 100 audience members, and games can take a LONG time.
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Post by: chris319 on April 26, 2006, 03:03:12 PM
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a contestant who correctly answers a series of trivia questions [SNIP] a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time.
Criminey sakes, how many different packagers have come up with a rip-off of The $64,000 Question?
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Post by: catkins522 on April 26, 2006, 03:07:11 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'117059\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 03:03 PM\']
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a contestant who correctly answers a series of trivia questions [SNIP] a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time.
Criminey sakes, how many different packagers have come up with a rip-off of The $64,000 Question?
[/quote]

Or the Bonus Round from "The Better Sex", but 1 vs 100 has money.

Charles
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 26, 2006, 03:51:31 PM
[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'117031\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 06:42 AM\']
and uses some of the same game show devices, including being given a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time. [/quote]
How is this special?  Millionaire let you do the same.
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: dzinkin on April 26, 2006, 03:55:10 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117062\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 03:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'117031\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 06:42 AM\']
and uses some of the same game show devices, including being given a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time. [/quote]
How is this special?  Millionaire let you do the same.
[/quote]
I don't recall anything in the original post -- or in the story the original post quoted, for that matter -- that says it's special.  In fact, "some of the same game show devices, including..." pretty much indicates the exact opposite, doesn't it?
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Post by: SRIV94 on April 26, 2006, 03:55:36 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117062\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 02:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'117031\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 06:42 AM\']
and uses some of the same game show devices, including being given a choice of taking your winnings and leaving the table at any time. [/quote]
How is this special?  Millionaire let you do the same.
[/quote]
Not sure it is special.  I *think* the point of that part of the release was that it's produced by the people who do DoND and uses some similar elements as DoND.  IOW, if you like DoND, you'll like this.

At least that's what I took out of that sentence.  YMMV.

Doug -- and the countdown to 1900 continues (and Dave's still a much faster typist :) )
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Post by: tvwxman on April 26, 2006, 04:27:28 PM
First off, i'm a fan of Ein Tegen 100, and have waited for this to come overseas.

But, i'm a little curious to see how this show is going to look after NBC adds models, hyperactive contestants, their families, ponies, Hummers, WWE-family related players, the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, an overcaffeniated audience, a choir, and a puppy.

If they can get past all of that, this should be a great game. And, looking farther into the crystal Storm Team 8 Skymax Doppler 8-Ball, a good companion for D/nD when they introduce them both as an hour combo in syndication for Fall 2007.

(Yes, I do get paid well to make predictions.)
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Post by: Mr. Bill on April 26, 2006, 04:59:05 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'117065\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 04:27 PM\']
First off, i'm a fan of Ein Tegen 100, and have waited for this to come overseas.

But, i'm a little curious to see how this show is going to look after NBC adds models, hyperactive contestants, their families, ponies, Hummers, WWE-family related players, the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, an overcaffeniated audience, a choir, and a puppy.
[/quote]
You forgot the clowns, the rabbit, and the whole home town.  :)
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Post by: weaklink75 on April 26, 2006, 05:01:48 PM
It's interesting...the "option to stop" changes the game a little, but I would think they'd add a major bonus prize for knocking out all the players that might tempt people to go on (say, maybe, a progressive of $500,000 plus $50K for every game that goes by without it being won?) Because on the Talpa version, the winners are only usually in the 80-120K range (since the use of the bailouts are so expensive- especially the last one)...

If this is done right, this could be as big as DoND,but the host choice is going to be very critical.
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Post by: chris319 on April 26, 2006, 05:06:06 PM
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But, i'm a little curious to see how this show is going to look after NBC adds models, hyperactive contestants, their families, ponies, Hummers, WWE-family related players, the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, an overcaffeniated audience, a choir, and a puppy.
Throw in a shaved-head emcee, motorized spotlights, creepy music and an isolation booth.

Any truth to the rumor that Ricki Lake has been offered the emcee job if she will shave her head?
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Post by: MikeK on April 26, 2006, 05:12:37 PM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'117034\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 09:33 AM\']I'm waiting for Mike to chime in with me on this one.

*snip*

I think we can post a link up so you can get a feel for it.[/quote]
Here I am.  First, I need to pick my lower jaw off the floor.  Good heavens, this is great unexpected news.  Even though the scoring format is quite different and might incorporate the use of graphing calculators or slide rules by viewers [the # of incorrect players x the floor of (€50,000/# of players in the round), as Alex said], this game is very impressive.

Talpa streams its shows at http://www.talpa.tv (http://\"http://www.talpa.tv\")  There is an archive of shows at that site, but you need a login and password.

Prediction time:  Just like Een Tegen 100 in the Netherlands, could this be filler during Deal or No Deal's hiatus?

[quote name=\'catkins522\' post=\'117061\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 03:07 PM\']Or the Bonus Round from "The Better Sex", but 1 vs 100 has money.[/quote]
There were just 50 audience members in The Better Sex bonus round.

[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'117065\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 04:27 PM\']
First off, i'm a fan of Ein Tegen 100, and have waited for this to come overseas.

*snip again*

If they can get past all of that, this should be a great game. And, looking farther into the crystal Storm Team 8 Skymax Doppler 8-Ball, a good companion for D/nD when they introduce them both as an hour combo in syndication for Fall 2007.[/quote]
It would be a great complement to Deal, no doubt.  I don't think this would work well as a half hour show.  The Dutch format is time-consuming, between video questions and the presentation of Postcode Loterij checks to lottery winners.  This past Sunday, one contestant was in the Een Tegen 100 hot seat for the entire show, ultimately missing a question when he was down to two competitors.  Thus, this single hot seat player would be on for two, possibly three half hour shows.
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: BrandonFG on April 26, 2006, 06:56:32 PM
This sounds like it could be a pretty good show, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm really hoping that just because Endemol/NBC has a hit with D/ND, that they won't use the same gimmicks for this.

Then again, if it's trivia-based, the contestants should actually have some brains here. ;-)

Looks like game shows are picking back up again...2007 could be a very good year!
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Post by: TLEberle on April 26, 2006, 07:39:18 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'117059\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 12:03 PM\']Criminey sakes, how many different packagers have come up with a rip-off of The $64,000 Question?[/quote]I don't get it. The whole point of most game shows is risking what you have to win more. Let's Make a Deal, Hollywood Showdown, Sale of the Century, The Joker's Wild (originally, and I thought the Joker's Jackpot was very clever).

Just because a new game show uses the 'take it or leave it' mechanic as their main game element doesn't mean they're ripping off anything. The reason it's used is because it's compelling. Will the champion risk $150,000 in prizes to win $800,000 more in cash? If she DOES, will she win the lot, or go home with pocket change? Will the Dran-o be in the $16,000 bag, or should the contestant have quit with $8,000. If there's no risk, there's no drama.

It sound interesting, but the vibe I get from a show synopsis ending with "Produced by Endemol" is that it's a neat idea blown way out of proportion. I think "100 to 1" would be a neat game if played for $10,000 a question. It sounds like a fun game. I would not be against having another game show airing here in the United States.
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Post by: zachhoran on April 26, 2006, 08:03:50 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'117072\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 05:12 PM\']



There were just 50 audience members in The Better Sex bonus round.

[/quote]

30, not 50.
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Post by: MikeK on April 26, 2006, 09:05:20 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' post=\'117088\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 08:03 PM\']
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'117072\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 05:12 PM\']There were just 50 audience members in The Better Sex bonus round.[/quote]

30, not 50.
[/quote]
OH DEAR LORD, I MADE AN ERROR.  Forgive me Father Zach for I have sinned.

There were 70 on the pilot.  Put that in your mental rolodex of minutiae and smoke it, Zachariah.
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Post by: Gus on April 26, 2006, 09:23:13 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'117072\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 05:12 PM\']
I don't think this would work well as a half hour show.  The Dutch format is time-consuming, between video questions and the presentation of Postcode Loterij checks to lottery winners.
[/quote]

Well, when you cut out the video questions and the Loterij checks and whatnot and just get to the questions, I think it would run along at a nice clip.

On a slightly unrelated note, I had always thought that a better title for an English-language version of the game than the literally-translated "1 vs 100" would be "1-on-100", as a play off the phrase "one-on-one".
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Post by: NickS on April 26, 2006, 09:28:57 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'117065\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 03:27 PM\']
First off, i'm a fan of Ein Tegen 100, and have waited for this to come overseas.

But, i'm a little curious to see how this show is going to look after NBC adds models, hyperactive contestants, their families, ponies, Hummers, WWE-family related players, the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, an overcaffeniated audience, a choir, and a puppy.

If they can get past all of that, this should be a great game. And, looking farther into the crystal Storm Team 8 Skymax Doppler 8-Ball, a good companion for D/nD when they introduce them both as an hour combo in syndication for Fall 2007.

(Yes, I do get paid well to make predictions.)
[/quote]

If NBC adds models, cheerleaders and hummers, then you've got a 70's porn movie... and not a game.

(No, I don't get paid a dime to make bad jokes.)  Besides, in reality, it sounds like you really can't go crazy on the cheez whiz with this show -- it's Q/A in a competition (albeit mild) format.
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Post by: TLEberle on April 27, 2006, 12:05:29 AM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'117034\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 06:33 AM\']1 VS 100 is a terrific show and is what the main game of Winning Lines should have always been.  [/quote] How exactly would that go? I think the British version of the game would have been an improvement (Well, anything would be an improvement over six fastest finger first questions)

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How many people are going to cry Millionaire-clone?
Because it has four-option questions and piles of money? Just because "Millionaire" was the first to offer $1,000,000 in a Q/A show doesn't mean that every big money quiz show is going to be a clone of it.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on April 27, 2006, 04:08:56 AM
Boy, 2006 certainly is the year of the game show "turnaround".  Not only DoND is a hit, but now it looks like we'll se 1 vs. 100(1/100 is a better looking title to me anyway) & maybe Take It Or Leave It(That's The Question).

The bailout option here sure reeks of Millionaire in that sense, but it also adds strategy.  It depends how long a good player can outlast 100 audience members over a series of questions especially if there are a few "stalwart" members keeping him/her from winning it all.  Just like DoND, there's also timing involved(Does the player have the patience to continue on or will s/he wilt under pressure?).  I wouldn't mind seeing this in place of DoND during the summer, but if it becomes a hit, then what?
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Post by: Brig Bother on April 27, 2006, 05:08:46 AM
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'117095\' date=\'Apr 27 2006, 02:23 AM\']
On a slightly unrelated note, I had always thought that a better title for an English-language version of the game than the literally-translated "1 vs 100" would be "1-on-100", as a play off the phrase "one-on-one".
[/quote]

I see what you've done with it, but that doesn't sit right with me at all.

I prefer "One Against One Hundred", which I believe is the literal translation anyway.
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Post by: BrandonFG on April 27, 2006, 05:11:14 AM
I'd honestly prefer 100-to-1, kind of a play on words (100:1).
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Post by: Clay Zambo on April 27, 2006, 08:20:23 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'117065\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 04:27 PM\']
And, looking farther into the crystal Storm Team 8 Skymax Doppler 8-Ball, ...[/quote]

Does your boss know you're using office technology for non-meterological purposes?
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Post by: Clay Zambo on April 27, 2006, 09:14:53 AM
Very interesting, this.  Though I wish I'd read the thread from the beginning and noticed the English description of the rules before trying to suss it out from watching streaming video.

(Why I am watching streaming video of a Dutch game show--in Dutch!--rather than, say, trying to change the face of the American Musical Theatre is a question worth many, many Euros.)

It's a gorgeous production.  The scoring system is indeed rather complicated.  I think the worst part, for me, is that I've been tinkering with a player-vs-100-challengers format...I guess there's no point in thinking about that any more.

Caroline Tensen: Ellen DeGeneris in 10 years?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 27, 2006, 12:22:09 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117084\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 07:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'117059\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 12:03 PM\']Criminey sakes, how many different packagers have come up with a rip-off of The $64,000 Question?[/quote]I don't get it. The whole point of most game shows is risking what you have to win more. Let's Make a Deal, Hollywood Showdown, Sale of the Century, The Joker's Wild (originally, and I thought the Joker's Jackpot was very clever).[/quote]
Actually, the idea of risking money you've already won for the chance at even more is a relatively unusual model for game shows to follow, which is one of the many things that made Millionaire appear so novel when it first arrived.  I don't think this one is a "rip-off" of The $64,000 Question any more than shows with returning champions are a "rip-off" of Winner Take All.  Still, thre's no doubt people will be comparing this show to Millionaire, and Chris just pointed out that the real progenitor of these sorts of formats is even older.  (The fact that the $64K format harkens back to radio days and Take It Or Leave It is less relevant because the TV show introduced the monster payouts.)
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Post by: chris319 on April 27, 2006, 02:56:09 PM
"Most" TV game shows play a match to a finish and, if there is a returning champion, he or she plays until defeated. I didn't see where Ken Jennings was risking his prior winnings to continue playing, nor was he afforded the opportunity to stop playing, take his money and go home. I never saw a WML? contestant get up from the desk and say, "Thanks, Mr. Daly, $20 is enough for me. I'm leaving."

The way this show was originally described was "answer questions for money" and "the player can choose to quit the game and go home with his winnings". That describes the crux of The $64,000 Question and WWTBAM. I will go back and reread this thread to see if there's more to this game that sets it apart from those shows.

(MOMENTS LATER)

I went back and read the post describing the rules, and yes, it's The Better Sex end game. I was tinkering with an idea along these lines back in 2000 and ultimately discarded it as lacking suspense. It certainly didn't do The Better Sex any good.

Footnote: In the G-T offices there used to be a videotape of Bobby Sherman playing The Better Sex end game with the banana section of a Tattletales audience, as a trial run of The Better Sex end game.
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Post by: uncamark on April 27, 2006, 04:03:52 PM
Here's Variety's article on the show (which supposedly NBC greenlit the same day Endemol pitched it to them):

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117942076?cs=1&s=h&p=0 (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117942076?cs=1&s=h&p=0\")

It does mention that the show could have a summer start--it's very likely that Scott St. John could keep the "DOND" staff and use them for "1 vs. 100."  If it clicks, he'll have to move the staff around.  If it doesn't, they still have a job on "DOND" and they aren't laid off for the summer.

I know, wishful thinking.
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Post by: NickS on April 27, 2006, 08:33:12 PM
So my question is -- what other game formats does endemol have for Goldberg to spear?
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 27, 2006, 10:48:49 PM
Well, Millionaire fairly soon.....
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Post by: TLEberle on April 27, 2006, 10:49:28 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117084\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 04:39 PM\']I don't get it. The whole point of most game shows is risking what you have to win more. Let's Make a Deal, Hollywood Showdown, Sale of the Century, The Joker's Wild (originally, and I thought the Joker's Jackpot was very clever).[/quote]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'117165\' date=\'Apr 27 2006, 11:56 AM\']
"Most" TV game shows play a match to a finish and, if there is a returning champion, he or she plays until defeated. I didn't see where Ken Jennings was risking his prior winnings to continue playing, nor was he afforded the opportunity to stop playing, take his money and go home. I never saw a WML? contestant get up from the desk and say, "Thanks, Mr. Daly, $20 is enough for me. I'm leaving."[/quote]You'll note I didn't mention "Jeopardy!" or "What's My Line?" in the list above. "What's My Line" would be completely ludicrous if John Daly had to ask the guest if he wanted to risk his 20 bucks to go for 25. That's not much of a leap. I was saying that there are more than a few game shows that have employed the 'take it or leave it' mechanic. Many game shows just wouldn't work with it.
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Post by: GiraffeBoy on April 27, 2006, 11:42:40 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'117169\' date=\'Apr 27 2006, 01:03 PM\'] Here's Variety's article on the show (which supposedly NBC greenlit the same day Endemol pitched it to them):

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117942076?cs=1&s=h&p=0 (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117942076?cs=1&s=h&p=0\")
[/quote]Any word on contestant calls or audience info for this? I realize it's early, but I've always thought that getting in on a show earlier makes for a better chance at a bigger win.

--Charlie, MPW
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 28, 2006, 07:00:53 AM
NBC stated to me that they have nothing planned yet and can't release any more information.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 28, 2006, 10:03:50 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117226\' date=\'Apr 27 2006, 10:49 PM\']
 I was saying that there are more than a few game shows that have employed the 'take it or leave it' mechanic.
[/quote]
Well, actually what you said was "most" game shows, and for that to be true you'd have to draw just about the broadest definition possible of risk vs reward.

This game being discussed is one contestant answering trivia questions for ever-rising stakes, and risking significant amounts of those stakes on every question, because a wrong answer ends the game.  That's pretty derivative, and yes, there have been a lot of those.  In fact, the idea that "there are more than a few game shows that have employed the 'take it or leave it' mechanic" was precisely Chris' original point that you claimed not to "get".

There are plenty of other ways that risk is introduced into a game show.  (Daily Doubles, Bankrupts, Stoppers, Whammies, Zonks)  Without some kind of risk, you often don't have much of a game.  This particular kind of risk, though, is in the $64K mode, and Chris' point was that lots of producers have gone down that path.
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Post by: WhammyPower on April 28, 2006, 03:27:33 PM
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'117095\' date=\'Apr 26 2006, 08:23 PM\']
I had always thought that a better title for an English-language version of the game than the literally-translated "1 vs 100" would be "1-on-100", as a play off the phrase "one-on-one".
[/quote]
I prefer "One Wars All"  (Instead of "one for all")
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Post by: clemon79 on April 28, 2006, 03:45:24 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'117260\' date=\'Apr 28 2006, 12:27 PM\']
I prefer "One Wars All"  (Instead of "one for all")
[/quote]
Wow.
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Post by: TLEberle on April 28, 2006, 03:59:08 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'117252\' date=\'Apr 28 2006, 07:03 AM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117226\' date=\'Apr 27 2006, 10:49 PM\']
 I was saying that there are more than a few game shows that have employed the 'take it or leave it' mechanic.
[/quote]
Well, actually what you said was "most" game shows, and for that to be true you'd have to draw just about the broadest definition possible of risk vs reward.[/quote] Which is what I meant. Most game shows have you risking something to win something.

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Without some kind of risk, you often don't have much of a game.  
That was my point, in so many words. I think we agree on this point, though it doesn't seem like it.

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This particular kind of risk, though, is in the $64K mode, and Chris' point was that lots of producers have gone down that path.
Which is fine by me, because it's a compelling way to do a game show. If "1 versus the World" were to have it so that you had to knock out the whole crowd to cash in, that would work too.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 28, 2006, 04:09:39 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117262\' date=\'Apr 28 2006, 12:59 PM\']
Which is what I meant. Most game shows have you risking something to win something.
[/quote]
But that isn't true, unless you're including "the possibility of losing" among those things you risk, and you'd have to agree that is indeed a pretty broad definition of risk.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 28, 2006, 04:21:03 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117262\' date=\'Apr 28 2006, 03:59 PM\']That was my point, in so many words. I think we agree on this point, though it doesn't seem like it.[/quote]
The issue is one of parameters.  You claimed that you didn't "get" Chris' comment about how specifically similar this show (and so many others) are to $64K, because most game shows involve some kind of risk.  That's a little like saying you don't "get" how apples and oranges are different, because they're both fruits with seeds.
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: Gus on April 30, 2006, 08:52:07 AM
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I see what you've done with it, but that doesn't sit right with me at all.

I prefer "One Against One Hundred", which I believe is the literal translation anyway.
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I should probably have mentioned that, in my thinking, for the name "One on 100" to work, it would have to be always pronounced "One on One Hundred" and with the same cadence as the phrase "one on one", which is contained within the title and is kind of a stock phrase that English speakers are already familiar with, which, if you think about it, is essentially what the game is when the group of 100 is narrowed down to one player - it's one-on-one, so it's a logical, even somewhat punning extrapolation. "One on a hundred" doesn't carry the same effect for me, and perhaps that's what you had been thinking.

I also prefer "on" to "versus" or "against" because-- I dunno... less syllables? Less forced, perhaps? I even think "One vs. 100" or "One Against 100" don't roll off the tongue quite as well as "One on One Hundred" or even "Één tegen hondert". ("Tegen" is actually one syllable, pronounced kinda like "teyhh".) I've always felt that literal translations for their own sake are only really practical or useful as glosses to an original text, and if a different word, phrase, or construction can be used to convey the same idea in the target language better than the literal meaning of the source word, it should be used, and I feel this is such a case. (I also feel that different situations or usages can warrant different translations, such as if something is a title, or if it's a phrase in a passage of prose, or part of a line of poetry. Tangential rant over.)

I also think that the connection with the phrase "one-on-one" makes the title more, say, catchy; more easily remembered when you make that connection; possibly more uniklely to be misquoted; even forms a better catchphrase all because of the simple connection to and extrapolation of a familiar stock phrase. The title "Deal or No Deal" works on the exact same principle, I suspect, because "Deal" and "No Deal" were already stock phrases in English that were easily melded into a memorable catchphrase.


Wow, that was unexpectedly long, and about three days late to boot. I kinda just wanted to put into words the reason why I like the title "One on 100", and that I'm not really seeing anything that stands out to me in other people's suggestions. Anyone care to rebuke this defence of my idea with one for their own? Unlike some people on this board who may or may not still be among us, I actually enjoy constructive criticism. (Keyword being "constructive".)
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 30, 2006, 10:42:36 AM
I don't mind the title "1 vs. 100," but if you prefer fewer syllables, you could always go with "1 V 100."
"One Against All" might flow better off the tongue, but I don't see a need to change the title from "1 vs. 100."
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 30, 2006, 11:18:46 AM
Talpa's "Een Tegen 100"'s season finale is today at around 3:35-3:45PM ET.  You can view it online at the link provided.

http://www.garnierstreamingmedia.com/asx/talpastream1.asp (http://\"http://www.garnierstreamingmedia.com/asx/talpastream1.asp\")

Starting next week, the Dutch version of Deal or No Deal, called Miljoenenjacht, comes back for another short run.
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: Charlie Owens on May 03, 2006, 04:47:18 AM
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Just because "Millionaire" was the first to offer $1,000,000 in a Q/A show doesn't mean that every big money quiz show is going to be a clone of it.

*coughmilliondollarchanceofalifetimehostedbyjimperryiirccough*
Title: 1 vs. 100 coming to NBC...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 03, 2006, 06:39:33 AM
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Just because "Millionaire" was the first to offer $1,000,000 in a Q/A show doesn't mean that every big money quiz show is going to be a clone of it.

*coughmilliondollarchanceofalifetimehostedbyjimperryiirccough*
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*coughmilliondollarchanceofalifetimewasapuzzle/wordgamecough*
Besides that, it was hosted by Jim Lange.

Sorry, Charlie.