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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: bellbm on September 01, 2003, 10:46:11 PM
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Looking at the TV Guide listings for Sept. 15, here are the game shows in Chicago
9AM Ch 26 Family Feud
9:30 Ch 26 Pyramid
10AM Ch 2 Price Is Right
11AM Ch 9 Millionaire
11:30 Ch 9 Millionaire
3:30 Ch 7 Jeopardy
6 PM Ch 2 Hollywood Squares ( I think is moving to 11 AM, maybe Sept. 22)
6:30 Ch 7 Wheel of Fortune
7 PM Ch 26 Family Feud
7:30 Ch 26 Pyramid
4AM Ch 26 Weakest Link
I'm a bit disappointed with WGNs placement of Millionaire. I would definitely say that is a timeslot downgrade.
I wonder if the second episode will be reruns from the 1st season? And I'm not sure how long the Weakest Link will last on Ch 26.
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Chicago is really getting a royal screw job regarding the way their game shows operate, thats simple because I'll be spending senior year of high school during the day.
I agree with the way that Millionaire is getting the royal screw job, let alone a double run?! And I'm getting a little worried on how WBBM is going to play off H^2, since their newscasts are like \"boooooooooo\", and they aren't neccessary (maybe the 6, but not the 4).
-Dave
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I'm a bit disappointed with WGNs placement of Millionaire. I would definitely say that is a timeslot downgrade.
I beg to differ, my friend. While 6P.M. is an ideal time for an evening game show such as Millionaire and H2 (in earlier years), I think that Millionaire can flourish in the 11A.M. time slot. Let me cite four reasons for this.
(1) This show can serve as a compliment for The Price is Right. Granted, they are on different channels, but it can help those who have not yet had their fill of game shows for the morning.
(2) With the glut of talk and court shows, Millionaire may serve as a welcome addition to a market that is INUNDATED with these types of television. (And it will unfortunately get worse.)
(3) WGN is what I like to call a high-profile syndicated channel. It will not get lost in the shuffle of schedule changes. It will remain quite static in the WGN lineup, and WGN will promote the show pretty well.
(4) Now, we do not have to worry about the CBS Evening News pre-empting the show whenever they expand the news to an hour because of a big event.
I am pretty sure that the show is in good hands.
The Inquisitive One
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I'll (partially) take back the statement because the 11am and 11:30 slots are better lead-in for the noon news (on WGN), as well as being the better option after Price, simply because Its going against Springer.
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I just think that WBBM needs to get out of the news business all together. Their newscasts have consistenlty been last. The new boss over there wants more news. I hope their return to news at 6PM scores lower ratings than Millionaire did. I'm sure it will be the same story as the 10PM News, CH 7 in 1st, Ch 5 in 2nd, then reruns of Friends and the Simpsons, then WBBM. I don't know how Millionaire did in the ratings, but I doubt that a newscast will do better. At least it is nice to have some options, there is PLENTY of local news on in the afternoon.
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Oh, and to add insult to injury, WBBMs position on some cable systems in the city will be moving to Channel 22. That will really help their ratings, as its buried among public access channels.
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Chicago is really getting a royal screw job regarding the way their game shows operate, thats simple because I'll be spending senior year of high school during the day.
As you should, or you'll never graduate.
I agree with the way that Millionaire is getting the royal screw job, let alone a double run?!
Not necessarily, as explained later in the thread.
And I'm getting a little worried on how WBBM is going to play off H^2, since their newscasts are like \"boooooooooo\",
Now I heard of someone's love being like \"whoa\", but this is new to me. (People not in the know, don't ask.) They'll stick H2 somewhere; in a good permanent spot? Probably not.
Brandon Brooks
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I just think that WBBM needs to get out of the news business all together.
A big 4 network with no news? Yeah, right.
Their newscasts have consistenlty been last.
I'm a stickler for proof, therefore... How do you know this?
The new boss over there wants more news.
This ain't nothing new. Many markets are trying this lame route.
I hope their return to news at 6PM scores lower ratings than Millionaire did. I'm sure it will be the same story as the 10PM News, CH 7 in 1st, Ch 5 in 2nd, then reruns of Friends and the Simpsons, then WBBM.
Again, how do you know this?
I don't know how Millionaire did in the ratings, but I doubt that a newscast will do better.
Then is everything you're saying speculation?
Brandon Brooks
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This article will provide some proof. I have no idea about the 6pm newscasts.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-f...in-feder07.html (http://\"http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder07.html\")
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[quote name=\'bellbm\' date=\'Sep 2 2003, 12:01 AM\'] This article will provide some proof. I have no idea about the 6pm newscasts.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-f...in-feder07.html (http://\"http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder07.html\") [/quote]
Thank you, kindly.
Brandon Brooks
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I just think that WBBM needs to get out of the news business all together.
A big 4 network with no news? Yeah, right.
I've seen it happen (although in a smaller market than Chicago -- I believe WBBM is a network O&O). When I lived in Durham, NC, the NBC affiliate there didn't run any local newscasts -- just occasional one-minute cut-ins and CNN Headline News. (They have since reversed that policy.)
That aside, as the requirements from the FCC to meet the community's needs continue to slacken, don't be surprised if local stations facing a huge gap in the ratings decide to get out of the news business altogether.
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Looks like the VCR will be getting quite the workout starting next week.
While Jeopardy!, Wheel Of Fortune and Millionaire continue in their prime access spots around here, Pyramid will run at 1:30am, Family Feud at 2:30am and Hollywood Squares at 3:00am. However, I am pleased that the shows are at least all going to be offered. Wonder how that H2/World News Now competition will shake down. Tom Bergeron or Liz Cho? The choice is a tough one.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Sep 2 2003, 11:37 AM\']
I just think that WBBM needs to get out of the news business all together.
A big 4 network with no news? Yeah, right.
I've seen it happen (although in a smaller market than Chicago -- I believe WBBM is a network O&O). When I lived in Durham, NC, the NBC affiliate there didn't run any local newscasts -- just occasional one-minute cut-ins and CNN Headline News. (They have since reversed that policy.)[/quote]
Actually, if not for Joe Ahern becoming WBBM general manager, I have the feeling that \"Judge Judy\" would've replaced the 10 p.m. news this year--WBBM, like many CBS O&Os, has had a rough go with local news for many years and the CBS O&O in Detroit, WWJ, *did* drop news completely last year (although it should be pointed out that the newscasts were produced by sister UPN affil WKBD [!] and that the station, thanks to the former Storer/New World stations' en masse switch in affiliation to Fox and CBS' inability to be placed anywhere else in Detroit but a barely-known UHF station that showed reruns of musty 50s shows, is probably America's least-watched network-owned station).
Meanwhile, those of us who are game show fans in Chicago have a Hobson's choice at 11 a.m., since it looks like \"H2\" and \"WWTBAM\" are going at it head-to-head. It also looks like Disney's going to allow double run situations for \"WWTBAM\" this year, since Tribune and Fremantle proved with \"Feud\" last year that you can do double runs with each run in its own sequence (as in something continuing, like champs on \"Feud\" or games on \"WWTBAM\"). In fact, with the Chicago time slots and the format or prize structure changes both shows have made, it definitely looks like KW and Disney are repositioning \"H2\" and \"WWTBAM,\" respectively, for daytime play instead of the prime access trenches, which with all of the tabs and sitcom reruns (and \"Wheel\" and \"J!\", of course) daytime may just be a better place for both shows.
And as for \"TWL,\" the show's toast--WCIU's just playing out the string in the same time slot where they let Caroline play out her string and will replace it by the end of September with infomercials or a vintage rerun.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 2 2003, 02:36 PM\'] And as for "TWL," the show's toast--WCIU's just playing out the string in the same time slot where they let Caroline play out her string and will replace it by the end of September with infomercials or a vintage rerun. [/quote]
In SW Michigan, Caroline is already gone. Weekly action strip She Spies is running in its spot for this week only as a placeholder for Living it Up with Ali and Jack. Makes me wonder what will be there next week.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Sep 2 2003, 04:36 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 2 2003, 02:36 PM\'] And as for \"TWL,\" the show's toast--WCIU's just playing out the string in the same time slot where they let Caroline play out her string and will replace it by the end of September with infomercials or a vintage rerun. [/quote]
In SW Michigan, Caroline is already gone. Weekly action strip She Spies is running in its spot for this week only as a placeholder for Living it Up with Ali and Jack. Makes me wonder what will be there next week.[/quote]
And WCIU's running various shows at 4 a.m. this week. Since Caroline started on Labor Day (or the day after, I guess, to accommodate MDA telethon stations), it's not surprising that the dead end would be this week.
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Here's the Indianapolis lineup, save \"Street Smarts\" which looks to stay on WB4 at 4 am but no longer getting an additional run at 11 am...
Millionaire - ABC6, 11:30 am (opp. TPiR) and 7:00 pm; was 7pm only)
Pyramid - CBS8, 10:00 am (was 12:30 pm on UPN23)
Feud - CBS8, 10:30 am (was 9 and 9:30 am on WB4)
Wheel - NBC13, 7:00 pm (no change)
J! - NBC13, 7:30 pm (ditto; both in 2nd year on 13 after having aired on 8 since their debuts)
H2 - ABC6, 1:35 am (2:40 am Monday nights!; was 11 am on ABC6)
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[quote name=\'bellbm\' date=\'Sep 1 2003, 08:53 PM\'] Oh, and to add insult to injury, WBBMs position on some cable systems in the city will be moving to Channel 22. That will really help their ratings, as its buried among public access channels. [/quote]
Judging by what the WBBM cable signal looks like at my friends' place in the Uptown neighborhood, and assuming that's not atypical, moving it to a channel where there's less interference certainly can't hurt the ratings.
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a barely-known UHF station that showed reruns of musty 50s shows, is probably America's least-watched network-owned station).
It was formerly religious outlet WGPR (\"Where God's Power Reigns\"), and could barely pull a 1 share on a good day in those days...seems like the CBS affiliation didn't changed much, which is why a B&C mid-90s ad for Jenny Jones bragged that a late run of her show was \"pulling a bigger share of women 18-49 in Detroit than Leno and Letterman combined\".
The 2nd least-watched CBS O&O? Prolly Ch. 58 in nearby Milwaukee, another result of Rupert Murdoch's $300M New World station group buyout of '94.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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This morning's Chicago Sun-Times reports that \"H2\" is ending up at 6 p.m. starting Sept. 15--but don't expect it there for long.
The problem here is that, thanks to Barker as a lead-in, WBBM's 11 a.m. newscast is their top-rated cast. Obviously, Ahern is having second thoughts about wanting to screw up a good thing (and although game show fans would probably stick around for \"H2,\" there are those in the older demos who would complain about the \"dirty jokes\"). On the other hand, Ahern wants the station to try to be a player in news and he sees a 6 p.m. cast as proving that that it is a player.
This will not be resolved soon (but at least the potential Hobson's choice at 11 a.m. between \"H2\" and \"WWTBAM\" will be relieved until at least November sweeps--and in a way, how often lately have we had choices of game shows on *broadcast* stations lately?--and I don't mean Pax or cable, strictly established broadcast channels).
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WGPR was better before CBS. Who could forget \"Auction Movie\"? They also showed a few game shows, \"Dating Game\" and \"Treasure Hunt\" in 83 from the Barris rerun package. \"Matchmaker,\" Combs \"Feud\" and some net shows that were rejected by the afills like \"Double Talk\" and \"Caesar's Challenge.\" They also had wonderful movies and western series and off-net shows like \"Dark Shadows\" (music by Robert Cobert) and \"Mod Squad.\" There were plans to stage a local game show called \"Countdown\" in 1975 which was to have been hosted by Detroit personality Conrad Patrick. To the best of my knowledge the show never aired.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Sep 1 2003, 11:50 PM\']
I just think that WBBM needs to get out of the news business all together.
A big 4 network with no news? Yeah, right.
Their newscasts have consistenlty been last.
I'm a stickler for proof, therefore... How do you know this?
The new boss over there wants more news.
This ain't nothing new. Many markets are trying this lame route.
I hope their return to news at 6PM scores lower ratings than Millionaire did. I'm sure it will be the same story as the 10PM News, CH 7 in 1st, Ch 5 in 2nd, then reruns of Friends and the Simpsons, then WBBM.
Again, how do you know this?
I don't know how Millionaire did in the ratings, but I doubt that a newscast will do better.
Then is everything you're saying speculation?
Brandon Brooks[/quote]
An exceprt from today's Chicago Tribune
"It seems like the strategy is working," said Channel 2 General Manager Joe Ahern. That strategy could be roughly defined as "Put Diann Burns on the air." Last year, in a high-profile defection, Burns was hired away from Channel 7 by Ahern to co-anchor with Antonio Mora, and the ratings gains began almost immediately.
Many local television insiders acknowledge that Burns has something to do with Channel 2's late-night gains, but some point out that she has not had the same effect in her 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. newscasts--5 p.m. is up by 13 percent, but 6 p.m. is down 61 percent from last year, when the slot was occupied by "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire."
I guess Channel 2 should go back to games at 6PM. Its sort of like 1982 when CBS dumped Captain Kangaroo in favor of a morning news show.
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I don't know how this topic jumped, but...
CBS2 was big juju in the 80s in local news with Bill Kurtis (Mr. "American Justice" on A&E) and Walter Jacobson. Then Kurtis left for the black hole that is CBS early morning (although his version of CBS Morning News, with a new kid named Diane Sawyer, did pretty well) and Jacobson faded out, as did CBS overall and Channel 2 news.
Great theme music, tho.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Mar 3 2004, 07:59 AM\'] Great theme music, tho. [/quote]
Jumping even further...
I would imagine CBS2 from Chicago had the same great theme music that a lot of CBS O&O's (WCBS in NY included) had for their news...
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Mar 3 2004, 07:21 AM\'] I would imagine CBS2 from Chicago had the same great theme music that a lot of CBS O&O's (WCBS in NY included) had for their news... [/quote]
Yup ... even the O&O in Green Bay used it. But it was written in Chicago (the original lyrics were "I'm from Chicago/Chicago's My Home" when CBS bought the rights to it and gave it the dramatic-buildup "Enforcer" treatment) One of the best two or three local news themes ever, along with the "Action News" that I think WPVI in Philly still uses ("Move Closer to Your World.")
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Mar 3 2004, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Mar 3 2004, 07:21 AM\'] I would imagine CBS2 from Chicago had the same great theme music that a lot of CBS O&O's (WCBS in NY included) had for their news... [/quote]
Yup ... even the O&O in Green Bay used it. But it was written in Chicago (the original lyrics were "I'm from Chicago/Chicago's My Home" when CBS bought the rights to it and gave it the dramatic-buildup "Enforcer" treatment) One of the best two or three local news themes ever, along with the "Action News" that I think WPVI in Philly still uses ("Move Closer to Your World.")[/quote]
And that WBBM music was written by Dick Marx, who credits include most of the jingles from Leo Burnett's greatest ad campaigns (Jolly Green Giant, the Marlboro arrangements of "The Magnificent Seven," Pillsbury, Kellogg's, etc., etc.) and one of the all-time best pro sports team theme songs, the Chicago Black Hawks' "Here Come the Hawks." He also wrote the theme music for Tribune Entertainment's version of the Siskel and Ebert show ("At the Movies"). Mr. Marx isn't with us any more, but you've heard of his son--the pop singer Richard Marx, who got a Grammy nomination this year for co-writing Luther Vandross' "Dance With My Father."
ObGameShows: Tribune Entertainment syndicates "Feud."
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Mar 3 2004, 06:59 AM\'] Jacobson faded out, as did CBS overall and Channel 2 news.
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Jacobson's still toiling in Chicago, albeit at Fox-owned WFLD.
Doug -- and the countdown to 400 continues
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Yup ... even the O&O in Green Bay used it. But it was written in Chicago (the original lyrics were "I'm from Chicago/Chicago's My Home" when CBS bought the rights to it and gave it the dramatic-buildup "Enforcer" treatment) One of the best two or three local news themes ever, along with the "Action News" that I think WPVI in Philly still uses ("Move Closer to Your World.")
No argument there...not to mention the Cool Hand Luke theme by Lalo Schifrin, which served as the basis for the Eyewitness News package on WABC in NY, WLS in Chicago, KABC in LA, etc. (the only O&O not to go w/this package and format was the aforementioned WPVI in Philly). However, when the licensing fees got too high, it was dumped a few years ago, and it's only used nowadays for the Nine Network National News in Australia(!).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Mar 4 2004, 10:24 AM\'] It's only used nowadways for the Nine Network National News in Australia(!)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
I've lost the link but there was a page of news clips from Australia; the Seven Network there had one that uses NBC's current theme ("The Mission" by John Williams) and was a copy of the old intro that NBC used, replacing the zoom into the Statue of Liberty with a zoom into the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
By the way (now that this topic has lost any game show connection it ever had) the third-best news theme of all time is the "Hello _____" (Channel 13 loves youuuu!) by Frank Gari, just ahead of the "Classical Gas" remix.