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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: GSNFAN3000 on September 13, 2006, 09:32:08 PM
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I need help with the WOF Home Game Page on Wikipedia. I'm creating home game pages and some of them need more info. If you have want, help me with the info on those pages.
The Link for WOF Home game is here (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_Fortune_%28Home_Game%29\").
By the way, I also did the bulk of Pyramid, Hollywood Squares and Family Feud home games. If you need those links, let me know.
Thank You.
Matthew
P.S. I want to thank Matt Ottinger for the inspiration for the Wiki pages.
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If you're not the going to take the time to do a spell check before making the page...I really don't think you should be doing them.
By the way, your source for these pages would be what?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131443\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 06:44 PM\']
If you're not the going to take the time to do a spell check before making the page...I really don't think you should be doing them.
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Are you really gonna make us point out every spelling error you've ever made? Is that REALLY a horse you want to keep beating? Haven't you learned?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'131447\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 09:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131443\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 06:44 PM\']
If you're not the going to take the time to do a spell check before making the page...I really don't think you should be doing them.
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Are you really gonna make us point out every spelling error you've ever made? Is that REALLY a horse you want to keep beating? Haven't you learned?
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IMO, Wikipedia is a completely different animal. You've never complained about Wikipedia's "quality" issues?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131448\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 07:06 PM\']
IMO, Wikipedia is a completely different animal.[/quote]
Why? Your comments here are just as public of a record as Wiki's are.
You've never complained about Wikipedia's "quality" issues?
Citing an offense I myself have been guilty of many many MANY times? No. He without sin and all that. And if you're gonna keep harping on petty spelling errors, we can start linking. And I'm quite sure you know as well as we do that you won't like how that ends up.
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Is this what Wikipedia has become? I think that once you get to the point of pages focused on single episodes of television shows, singles from the latest album, and indeed game show home pages, Wikipedia has gone way past what an encyclopedia should be.
Why does there need to be a page devoted to the box game? Why not append a note to the "Wheel of Fortune" page saying that various and sundry board game versions were there? WOF-the Board Game already has two very serviceable pages devoted to it; Matt O's page, and one on boardgamegeek.com. And neither are riddled with spelling errors.
And that brings me to my third paragraph. (Funny how that works, innit?) Why can't someone complain? The page has spelling errors on it, and they should be fixed. If I cared, I would go in myself and fix them, but someone else can just as easily undo my work. My record isn't perfect either; sometimes my pinky twitches and a letter sneaks in where it isn't supposed to be. Even so, I still complain when things aren't spelled properly. Should the board adopt some sort of system like the RPG Paranoia, where members with fewer Spelling Misteak Points can criticize the typing of those with fewer points? (Maybe a better option would be a gentle nudge via e-mail or instant messaging program, quoting the I after E rule, or some such.) Because yes, repeat misspellers do look less smart than those who aren't. That's just the way it is. (To me, anyway; YMMV.)
/The Computer says the spelling of 'misteak' was indeed correct. The Computer is your friend. Have a good Threeday.
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I'm not perfect. I will look over it and check it again.
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[quote name=\'GSNFAN3000\' post=\'131454\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 07:58 PM\']I'm not perfect. I will look over it and check it again.[/quote]If Wikipedia has this option, run a spell check over the article before posting. Another idea is to write it in Word, check it there, and then copy it into the window.
Perfection is largely impossible, but knowing how to spell properly is not, and it's a good skill to posess.
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Well, I should have fixed all the spelling/grammar errors thanks to Word. Check it out now.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'131452\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 07:43 PM\']
Why does there need to be a page devoted to the box game? Why not append a note to the "Wheel of Fortune" page saying that various and sundry board game versions were there?
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Well, I'm almost certain that when the active Wiki editors come across this, they will in fact begin the process to merge the article.
Why can't someone complain? The page has spelling errors on it, and they should be fixed.
People can absolutely complain. And he without sin can cast the first stone. I wouldn't have said anything if it wasn't Mark, who goes to the spelling error well every time he can't find something else to snark about, despite committing the same offense (and I'm not talking about typos, I'm talking about plain-old straight-up spelling a word WRONG and either thinking it was right or not bothering to check) time and time again.
My issue was not pointing out the spelling mistake; it was in being a huge hypocrite in doing so.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'131452\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 10:43 PM\']
WOF-the Board Game already has two very serviceable pages devoted to it; Matt O's page, and one on boardgamegeek.com. And neither are riddled with spelling errors.[/quote]
Thank yew sew much.
Honestly, I really am working on not just an update but a complete overhaul of the GSHGHP, which was my first effort after all, so I'm sentimental. Thing is, I've never really learned any more HTML programming, and there are theoretical limits on how much space ACD lets me have, so I'm afraid it's not going to be any flashier than it's ever been.
And yes, add me to the voices asking why everything has to be on Wikipedia. When minor local television personalities (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ottinger\") start getting their own pages, you could say that maybe the whole thing has gotten out of hand. (Also, I hope none of you have to face the indignity of seeing complete strangers on the internet arguing over whether or not your life is significant.)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'131462\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 11:56 PM\']
And yes, add me to the voices asking why everything has to be on Wikipedia. When minor local television personalities (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ottinger\") start getting their own pages, you could say that maybe the whole thing has gotten out of hand.
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No, I'd say that this (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomarkenite\") is even better evidence, as flattered as I was when I found it.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'131463\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 12:15 AM\']No, I'd say that this (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomarkenite\") is even better evidence, as flattered as I was when I found it.[/quote]
"This psychology-related article is a stub." (emphasis added)
Dear God.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'131470\' date=\'Sep 13 2006, 11:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'131463\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 12:15 AM\']No, I'd say that this (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomarkenite\") is even better evidence, as flattered as I was when I found it.[/quote]
"This psychology-related article is a stub." (emphasis added)
Dear God.
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"A Stub is a choice between two tasks, each with its own pros and cons."
Thank you, teevee.org.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'131470\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 12:52 AM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'131463\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 12:15 AM\']No, I'd say that this (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomarkenite\") is even better evidence, as flattered as I was when I found it.[/quote]
"This psychology-related article is a stub." (emphasis added)
Dear God.
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That is incredible. And to any person who does this:
You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. (it referenceing that particular article)
Get a life.
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And I would like to thank Chad1m for completely counter-productively removing Dave's comment from that page. I don't give a damn about it violating Wikipedia policies; it was dumb.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'131579\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 11:19 PM\']
And I would like to thank Chad1m for completely counter-productively removing Dave's comment from that page. I don't give a damn about it violating Wikipedia policies; it was dumb.
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Indeed. Considering that he was the one who nominated the article for deletion, you'd think he'd have wanted assistance in the form of agreement from the guy who coined "Tomarkenite" in the first place.
Next time I'll wear a Mel or Shandi mask before I post.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'131587\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 08:37 PM\']
Indeed. Considering that he was the one who nominated the article for deletion, you'd think he'd have wanted assistance in the form of agreement from the guy who coined "Tomarkenite" in the first place.
Next time I'll wear a Mel or Shandi mask before I post.
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I see your comment in the Discussion section, where it belongs. What am I missing?
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Just check the actual article's edit history. You'll see it.
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I'd love to hear Chad's reasoning for keeping the article around.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'131589\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 08:40 PM\']
Just check the actual article's edit history. You'll see it.
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Okay, but Chad isn't wrong, in all honesty.
He might not have realized it, but what David did was effectively vandalizing the article, right? The proper place to make that statement was in the comments, and while I've certainly criticized Wiki in the past, it seems the proper thing to do is to leave the old (and disputed) article in place (and by David altering the current one, didn't that also negate Chad's request to strike?) and see if the system works.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131590\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 08:42 PM\']
I'd love to hear Chad's reasoning for keeping the article around.
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Huh?
HE'S the one who wants it gone, and you people editing it (yeah, you too) are hindering that from happening. Are you interested in working within the system or not?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'131593\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 11:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'131590\' date=\'Sep 14 2006, 08:42 PM\']
I'd love to hear Chad's reasoning for keeping the article around.
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Huh?
HE originally moved that it be removed, YOU seconded him, and none of that would have changed if David (again, for well-meaning reasons) didn't edit the article.
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Actually (EDIT: as you've since noted), Mark seconded it by replacing the article with a note to that effect. I see only a note that it should be edited if it is to be kept, not that editing it necessarily will keep it.
Are you interested in working within the system or not?
If there were a system there, I would be. When a Wikipedia admin can -- in violation of everything that Wikipedia claims to stand for -- enthusiastically back a "sockpuppetry" allegation that he knows is false, and completely ignore the actual evidence, there's no system, period.
I admit to making a mistake, but only in getting involved at all. I should have learned from the earlier mess that Wikipedia isn't worth my time. Let it go to hell (oh, wait, it's already there).
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I noticed the Wikipedia entry doesn't mention Pressman's "The Simpsons," edition of WOF.
Also, Pressman released the "Original" edition, as well as their second editon (2005), and "Simpsons" editions in collectible tin boxes.
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Okay, here's what I did, to avoid any confusion:
I've attempted to nominate the Wheel HG page for a merge within the main Wheel of Fortune page. It's truly where it belong, not a seperation.
For the Tomarkenite page, I did indeed nominate it for deletion as well as remove David's comment from the page. It was inadvertant vandalism, as I would assume he put it on the main page on accident rather than the talk page. Everything is in its proper place now and everything restored to the way I had intended it to be. Things are good now, and I'm just trying to work for the good of the game show representation of Wikipedia.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'131690\' date=\'Sep 15 2006, 02:27 PM\']
Everything is in its proper place now and everything restored to the way I had intended it to be. Things are good now, and I'm just trying to work for the good of the game show representation of Wikipedia.
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I still don't see your point.
Won't the article still be deleted if the original author doesn't make changes? If so, why even bother leaving it up?
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Because normal users (aka non-administrators) cannot delete pages. It's assumed that the author won't make changes, and even if they do, the article is still a POS and I'll leave the deletion notice up or re-nominate it for deletion.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'131690\' date=\'Sep 15 2006, 12:27 PM\']
Everything is in its proper place now and everything restored to the way I had intended it to be. Things are good now, and I'm just trying to work for the good of the game show representation of Wikipedia.
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And this is the correct way to do it, I think. There are two ways to do something like this: one is to go through the proper channels and follow the process, and the other is to vandalize the article and get into revision wars over it. If I wanted the respect of the Wiki admins, I know which one I would choose.
(Plus, it has the added advantage, if it DOESN'T work, you being able to go to the Wiki people and saying "Hey, I TRIED doing it your way, and it did no good.")
Good on ya for at least trying to play within the rules, Chad. I dunno that it'll work, but at least you're making a game effort.
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Thanks, Chris. I appreciate it that. Good news, I got Tomarkenite deleted. Now if I can figure a good way to merge home game articles.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'132431\' date=\'Sep 23 2006, 12:52 AM\']
Good news, I got Tomarkenite deleted.
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Well done, sir! Thanks much.
Memo to anyone who feels compelled to write a Wikipedia entry on "Tomarkenite," "ZHIFOS," "Moronionaire," "GWPIMITFUBWF," "Winner's Circle of Death," "The $10,000 Wedgie," or any other term created by, allegedly created by, or strongly associated with me: please don't.