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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: GSWitch on September 11, 2003, 05:55:21 PM
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30 years ago, Chuck Barris bought the rights from Jan Murray a game show he did in the 50's. Chuck then dropped the quiz segment, male contestants & titled his new show, The New Treasure Hunt!
Geoff Edwards hosted as female contestants tried to win that grand prize of...
A CHECK FOR $25,000!
Some people liked it, some hated it. As for me, it's \"The Wicked Witch of the East\" of Game Shows.
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Does GSN ever run Treasure Hunt? I would think it's worth a marathon on a dreary autumn weekday.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 07:13 PM\'] Does GSN ever run Treasure Hunt? I would think it's worth a marathon on a dreary autumn weekday. [/quote]
Yeah, it would be nice to see 80s(or even 70s TH if they can clear certain music heard on that show, which also keeps a lot of Gong SHow episodes from airing) again. The last time they aired it was in April 2001, when a Saturday Night marathon featuring eight episodes from 1981, with a very excited Jamaica Rose winning over $50K in cash and prizes, was aired. THey last aired the show regularly in 1997-98 during the largely(save for TPIR and 1994-95 Family Feud with Dawson) Goodson-Todman-less Dark Period
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Is music clearance really an issue for Treasure Hunt? I know it is on The Gong Show, but that was filled with musical performances. Treasure Hunt only had a set of prize music, didn't it?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 07:31 PM\'] Is music clearance really an issue for Treasure Hunt? I know it is on The Gong Show, but that was filled with musical performances. Treasure Hunt only had a set of prize music, didn't it? [/quote]
Well, if you can't get that package cleared, then there are clearance issues.
Did GSN air a marathon of TH recently? I don't remember. If so, it could be that just they don't want to air it, just like they don't want to air a lot of good shows in their vault.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 08:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 07:31 PM\'] Is music clearance really an issue for Treasure Hunt? I know it is on The Gong Show, but that was filled with musical performances. Treasure Hunt only had a set of prize music, didn't it? [/quote]
Well, if you can't get that package cleared, then you are clearance issues.
Did GSN air a marathon of TH recently? I don't remember. If so, it could be that just they don't want to air it, just like they don't want to air a lot of good shows in their vault.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
When they aired a TH marathon in April 2001, it was from the 1981 version, which doesn't have issues of music clearances(used some Newlywed and Dating prize cues IIRC)
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Then I suppose Sports Challenge must be 'The Wicked Warlock of the West' of game shows.
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Sally Ann Howes of the Big Board!
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To date, GSN has aired 2 episodes from the '70s version (which I think was the better of the two versions), and around 50 episodes of the '80s version.
Yes, there are music clearance issues with the '70s version with some of the prize music used on the show. It has nothing to do with the closing theme, as some people have thought.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 02:55 PM\'] 30 years ago, Chuck Barris bought the rights from Jan Murray a game show he did in the 50's. Chuck then dropped the quiz segment, male contestants & titled his new show, The New Treasure Hunt!
Geoff Edwards hosted as female contestants tried to win that grand prize of...
A CHECK FOR $25,000!
Some people liked it, some hated it. As for me, it's "The Wicked Witch of the East" of Game Shows. [/quote]
As I remember it in the three-station days of the 70's, \"New Treasure Hunt\" aired at 7:30 on Saturday nights. \"Hee-Haw\" and a community-service show were on the other two channels, so \"Treasure Hunt\" was sort of the least of three evils.
Wasn't it a very cheap-looking show?
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Sep 12 2003, 12:46 PM\']Wasn't it a very cheap-looking show?[/quote]
In its later years, when they were using a Trans American crew at the Warner Bros. lot (The Burbank Studios), had only two models and a 3M Datavision character generator instead of art cards (not to mention painfully obvious sweetening). The first two years at ABC were very slick-looking, particularly the first season when they had the crane camera and five models. However, I guess Barris decided using the crane was too expensive and the cutting back started in the second season.
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I guess I'm just curious why GSN is having clearance issues now, but CBN didn't when they picked up the reruns of the 70's version in 1984?
Rob
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Sep 11 2003, 11:59 PM\'] Then I suppose Sports Challenge must be 'The Wicked Warlock of the West' of game shows.
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Nope! Sports Challenge was a celebrity show (sports stars playing for charity). All-celebrity games don't count!
Here's the other nicknames;
The Wicked Witch of the West: Just Men!
The Good Warlock of the North: Pro Fan
The Good Warlock of the South: Grandstand
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[quote name=\'TraderRob\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 12:21 AM\'] I guess I'm just curious why GSN is having clearance issues now, but CBN didn't when they picked up the reruns of the 70's version in 1984?
Rob [/quote]
Rob, when you get an answer to that, let me know. I've been wondering the same thing for years.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 06:51 AM\']Nope! Sports Challenge was a celebrity show (sports stars playing for charity). All-celebrity games don't count!
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And, IIRC, Sports Challenge was produced by the PBS station in Los Angeles. Probably the first and only PBS \"game show\", and would it have been done in any other market but LA?
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Probably the first and only PBS \"game show\",
You're kidding, right? Little thing called \"Carmen Sandiego\" for starters, not to mention \"Think Twice\" and a couple of 1970s offerings. Also, a few PBS stations have their own local game shows, usually high school quizzers. Some of them are quite good, actually....
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 12:56 PM\'] And, IIRC, Sports Challenge was produced by the PBS station in Los Angeles. Probably the first and only PBS \"game show\", and would it have been done in any other market but LA? [/quote]
That doesn't sound quite right. Didn't a big 4 net (I'm thinking NBC) do Sports Challenge? And furthermore, that most certainly wouldn't be the only game show PBS produced. They produced one boring dry in the eighties that I can't remember the name of, and how can you ever forget Where in the Word/Time is Carmen Sandiego?
Brandon Brooks
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Sports Challenge was seen briefly on CBS one summer, but was mainly a syndicated offering. I took melman1's comment about it being taped at a PBS station at face value, but it turns out that part isn't correct either. It was taped at KTLA, the famed independent -- not PBS -- Los Angeles station.
Even the opinion he stated that Sports Challenge couldn't have been done anywhere but LA is iffy. There's a much larger concentration of sports teams in and around the New York area, for example.
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Besides being rerun on CBN in 1983-1984, local stations aired the \"New Treasure Hunt\" and \"Treasure Hunt\" reruns with other Chuck Barris shows (\"Gong Show\", \"$1.98 Beauty Show\", \"Dating Game\", and \"Newlywed Game\") in the mid 1980's.
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Drat. I was thinking of a 70's show called \"The Way It Was\" which airs in the mornings on ESPN Classic. Its end credits say it was produced by KCET, Community Television of Southern CA.
Sorry.
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Add PBS Game Shows:
The Miami PBS station combined with British and Australian TV for a show called \"Top of the World\" in 1982. It had three contestants, one from each country, answering questions about each other's countries. All three were shown on big screens with delays to equalize any time lag because of the satellites, with the host in London. For the championship, the three top scorers came to London and competed in person.
Nifty \"2001\" style opening, as well, with dramatic electronic music and floating planets behind satellite dishes.
And, if I'm not mistaken, this is my 100th post, for them as cares.
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The Miami PBS station combined with British and Australian TV for a show called \"Top of the World\" in 1982.
Nifty \"2001\" style opening, as well, with dramatic electronic music and floating planets behind satellite dishes.
I also recall the opening also featuring exterior shots of the studios the show originated in -- WPBT ch.2 in Miami, the Australian ABC studios in Sydney, and of course, Thames Television (where the main show originated; hence, the Thames \"skyline\" logo at the start and end).
They produced one boring dry in the eighties that I can't remember the name
This was probably the one -- the rules are that in the first round, each contestant answers 12 questions worth one point each, each containing 4 questions from the US, Britain and Australia. Round two was 2 minutes of questions based on the subject of the contestant's choice, worth 2 points apiece. Round 3 was questions in world knowledge, worth 3 points if right or -3 points if wrong. The top winner from each country returns later on for their tournament of champions, where the top winner wins a 1924 Rolls Royce.
The host was Eamonn Andrews, who was a famed radio and TV presenter in Ireland and Britain (but an unknown in the US and Australia); he died in 1987. This wasn't the first time he participated in an intercontinental Tv series -- there was also \"The Dick Cavett / Eamonn Andrews Satellite Specials\", which was co-produced in the 1970s by (W)WOR and Thames.
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local stations aired the \"New Treasure Hunt\" and \"Treasure Hunt\" reruns with other Chuck Barris shows (\"Gong Show\", \"$1.98 Beauty Show\", \"Dating Game\", and \"Newlywed Game\") in the mid 1980's.
\"Newlywed\" and \"Dating\" were certainly in the most markets. From reading old TVGuides from that time period, very few cities picked up \"Gong\" or \"TH\" reruns. In my area, we only had \"Newlywed\" and \"Dating\".
I guess it must have been good ratings for the two must have led to the new versions which started in the mid-80s. If the ratings for the reruns weren't good, it's hard to imagine them doing the new versions.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 16 2003, 08:27 AM\']
"Newlywed" and "Dating" were certainly in the most markets. From reading old TVGuides from that time period, very few cities picked up "Gong" or "TH" reruns. In my area, we only had "Newlywed" and "Dating".
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WNBC had Treasure Hunt 1981 reruns for a time in Spring 1985 in the wee hours of the night. And I know of at least one station that aired $1.98 Beauty SHow reruns: WPTT CHannel 22 in Pittsburgh for a brief time in 1985.
Now did any station pick up Camouflage reruns :)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 10:10 AM\'] [quote name=\'TraderRob\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 12:21 AM\'] I guess I'm just curious why GSN is having clearance issues now, but CBN didn't when they picked up the reruns of the 70's version in 1984?
Rob [/quote]
Rob, when you get an answer to that, let me know. I've been wondering the same thing for years. [/quote]
Probably incorrect (just a theory) but could the original licensing rights have only applied to Chuck Barris' ownership of the show and not Sony's?
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In Detroit, Newlywed/Gong ran from 11am-Noon on WXON Ch. 20 and Dating/TH ran from 1pm-2pm on WGPR Ch. 62. I have a TV Guide from the Orlando area from 83 and there was at least one station that also ran \"3's a Crowd\" reruns.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 09:54 PM\'] Drat. I was thinking of a 70's show called "The Way It Was" which airs in the mornings on ESPN Classic. Its end credits say it was produced by KCET, Community Television of Southern CA. [/quote]
I remember that show, and now that I think about it, I think it would be very easy for you to confuse the two series. As I recall, both featured a similar-looking cheesy early 70s set and both went to their old sports clips through a crude chroma-key. I'd imagine it would also be pretty easy to get Curt Gowdy and Dick Enberg mixed up. You are forgiven.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Sep 16 2003, 11:04 AM\'][quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 09:54 PM\'] Drat. I was thinking of a 70's show called \"The Way It Was\" which airs in the mornings on ESPN Classic. Its end credits say it was produced by KCET, Community Television of Southern CA. [/quote]
I remember that show, and now that I think about it, I think it would be very easy for you to confuse the two series. As I recall, both featured a similar-looking cheesy early 70s set and both went to their old sports clips through a crude chroma-key. I'd imagine it would also be pretty easy to get Curt Gowdy and Dick Enberg mixed up. You are forgiven.[/quote]
And to complete the whole circuit, Gerry Gross Enterprises produced both \"Sports Challenge\" and \"The Way It Was\" (the latter for KCET--he or his successor may've held on to the post-PBS ownership rights).
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Besides being rerun on CBN in 1983-1984, local stations aired the \"New Treasure Hunt\" and \"Treasure Hunt\" reruns with other Chuck Barris shows (\"Gong Show\", \"$1.98 Beauty Show\", \"Dating Game\", and \"Newlywed Game\") in the mid 1980's.
And much like a number of the 1978 NG eps, some of the 70s THs had new fee plug inserts for c. 1984 products edited in over the original segments.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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And I know of at least one station that aired $1.98 Beauty SHow reruns: WPTT CHannel 22 in Pittsburgh for a brief time in 1985.
It made a nice lead in to the station's \"Bedtime Movie\", a basic late show w/the intros done by sexy, scantily-clad women who spoke in sultry voices that were chosen by the viewers via phone voting.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Sep 16 2003, 09:04 AM\']I remember [The Way It Was], and now that I think about it, I think it would be very easy for you to confuse the two series. As I recall, both featured a similar-looking cheesy early 70s set and both went to their old sports clips through a crude chroma-key. I'd imagine it would also be pretty easy to get Curt Gowdy and Dick Enberg mixed up. You are forgiven.[/quote]
To confuse things further, Enberg hosted \"Sports Challenge\" and did the cheesy play-by-play recreations on Gowdy's \"The Way it Was\".
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\"Newlywed\" and \"Dating\" were certainly in the most markets. From reading old TVGuides from that time period, very few cities picked up \"Gong\" or \"TH\" reruns.
One nearby station that did air Gong reruns was WTIC (Ch. 61) in Hartford, even airing a \"Gong Show Gala\" marathon sometime in 1985 that they managed to get a 1/2-page ad for in the local edition of TV Guide.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 10:44 PM\']
The Miami PBS station combined with British and Australian TV for a show called "Top of the World" in 1982.
Nifty "2001" style opening, as well, with dramatic electronic music and floating planets behind satellite dishes.
I also recall the opening also featuring exterior shots of the studios the show originated in -- WPBT ch.2 in Miami, the Australian ABC studios in Sydney, and of course, Thames Television (where the main show originated; hence, the Thames "skyline" logo at the start and end).
They produced one boring dry in the eighties that I can't remember the name
This was probably the one -- the rules are that in the first round, each contestant answers 12 questions worth one point each, each containing 4 questions from the US, Britain and Australia. Round two was 2 minutes of questions based on the subject of the contestant's choice, worth 2 points apiece. Round 3 was questions in world knowledge, worth 3 points if right or -3 points if wrong. The top winner from each country returns later on for their tournament of champions, where the top winner wins a 1924 Rolls Royce.
The host was Eamonn Andrews, who was a famed radio and TV presenter in Ireland and Britain (but an unknown in the US and Australia); he died in 1987. This wasn't the first time he participated in an intercontinental Tv series -- there was also "The Dick Cavett / Eamonn Andrews Satellite Specials", which was co-produced in the 1970s by (W)WOR and Thames. [/quote]
Eammon Andrews was also host of the British Version of What's My Line and guested on the American version as a panelist several times and substituted for John Charles Daly at least once so he is not entirely unknown in the US.
Tim Lones
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Sep 13 2003, 03:41 PM\']
Probably the first and only PBS \"game show\",
You're kidding, right? Little thing called \"Carmen Sandiego\" for starters, not to mention \"Think Twice\" and a couple of 1970s offerings. [/quote]
Don't forget PBS' \"We Interrupt This Week\" in 1978. While not a game-game show in the truest sense of the word, it was definitely a celebrity quiz. And awfully funny, too.