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Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 24, 2007, 11:02:06 AM

Looks like this Sunday will be "The Women Who Changed Game Shows", with the usual suspects in it. Looks like we'll be seeing Friend or Foe clips for the first time in a while.

ORIGINALLY, the Saturday marathon was going to be Password Plus at 8, Weakest Link at 9, and WML? and TTTT at 10. Now, it's P+ at 8 and WL from 9-11, which to me is a little dissappointing.

Any thoughts on the special/marathon?
 

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 24, 2007, 11:09:53 AM

[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144341\' date=\'Jan 24 2007, 11:02 AM\']
Any thoughts on the special/marathon?[/quote]
One so far.  How, exactly, did Kennedy change game shows?

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: clemon79 on January 24, 2007, 11:16:17 AM

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'144342\' date=\'Jan 24 2007, 08:09 AM\']
How, exactly, did Kennedy change game shows?
[/quote]
They've certainly gone downhill ever since she hosted one.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: mbc793 on January 24, 2007, 12:50:13 PM

Kennedy changing game shows? Somebody needs to look that one over again.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: sshuffield70 on January 24, 2007, 02:14:39 PM

[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'144355\' date=\'Jan 24 2007, 12:50 PM\']
Kennedy changing game shows? Somebody needs to look that one over again.
[/quote]

I can name that tune in 4 notes!

(oops, sorry......wrong Kennedy.......)

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: toddyo on January 24, 2007, 04:56:50 PM

Jackie Kennedy???  WOW!  (just kidding!!!!)

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SteveR on January 24, 2007, 06:45:14 PM

Looks like Vanna's involved. If she's in, so should Susan Stafford.

And if Arlene Francis, then Kitty Carlisle too.

And, just for fun, Brett Somers and Jaye P. Morgan.

And a Fannie Flagg 'customized' T-shirt.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Jay Temple on January 25, 2007, 05:16:35 PM

Since it's Women Who Changed Game Shows, I was trying to figure a way to invoke Jacqueline. lol indeed

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Jimmy Owen on January 25, 2007, 07:49:15 PM

"The Women Who Changed Game Shows"?  All of them, when they had to give up being housewives and earn a 2nd family paycheck outside the home.  No audience=No game shows.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: clemon79 on January 25, 2007, 07:55:57 PM

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'144508\' date=\'Jan 25 2007, 04:49 PM\']
"The Women Who Changed Game Shows"?  All of them, when they had to give up being housewives and earn a 2nd family paycheck outside the home.  No audience=No game shows.
[/quote]
Quoted for truth.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: mbc793 on January 25, 2007, 11:34:59 PM

It is women and I apologize after I got all of the egg and egg yolk off my face.  I can't argue with that quote one single bit.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: DjohnsonCB on January 27, 2007, 10:47:54 AM

I had no idea till now that such a special was coming.  Had it been "woman" instead of "women", I'd have assumed it would have been a show about Lin Bolen.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: chris319 on January 27, 2007, 12:48:19 PM

[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'144385\' date=\'Jan 24 2007, 03:45 PM\']
Looks like Vanna's involved. If she's in, so should Susan Stafford.

And if Arlene Francis, then Kitty Carlisle too.

And, just for fun, Brett Somers and Jaye P. Morgan.

And a Fannie Flagg 'customized' T-shirt.
[/quote]
How did these women change game shows? Yeah, they're competent models and panelists, but they basically showed up and did what they were supposed to do.

Betty White and Meredith Vieira changed the role of women in game shows at the emcee podium. There are many women at the network level who were intimately involved with game shows whom most in the fanb0i community woudn't know about. And I've got to think Holly Hallstrom left a legacy of case law in terms of employment discrimination in her goings-round with Bob Barker.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: cweaver on January 27, 2007, 01:46:02 PM

I have a question about tonight's related marathon: what's the chance one of the two P+ eps is the "French/France" episode?  I specifically remember that one having Dick Martin, Betty White and Tom Kennedy and they all three appear in the promo.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 27, 2007, 01:50:47 PM

[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'144715\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 01:46 PM\'] I have a question about tonight's related marathon: what's the chance one of the two P+ eps is the "French/France" episode? I specifically remember that one having Dick Martin, Betty White and Tom Kennedy and they all three appear in the promo. [/quote]

 

I don't think the French episode will air, since she really didn't have much to do with that (Besides the "Everything's fine, Allen.") comment.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: cweaver on January 27, 2007, 02:09:37 PM

[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144716\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 02:50 PM\']
I don't think the French episode will air, since she really didn't have much to do with that (Besides the "Everything's fine, Allen.") comment.
[/quote]

...although (at least I always thought) that was the funniest moment of that episode.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SRIV94 on January 27, 2007, 02:27:08 PM

[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'144717\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 01:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144716\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 02:50 PM\']
I don't think the French episode will air, since she really didn't have much to do with that (Besides the "Everything's fine, Allen.") comment.
[/quote]

...although (at least I always thought) that was the funniest moment of that episode.
[/quote]
Looking at the promo I think we just miss it.  I think they'll be showing the two eps before it.  I'm not positive on that, though.  Might not be a bad idea to record it anyway.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 27, 2007, 08:06:36 PM

The French episode is airing right now, in case anyone missed it the last time.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SRIV94 on January 27, 2007, 08:07:50 PM

[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144720\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 01:27 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'144717\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 01:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144716\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 02:50 PM\']
I don't think the French episode will air, since she really didn't have much to do with that (Besides the "Everything's fine, Allen.") comment.
[/quote]

...although (at least I always thought) that was the funniest moment of that episode.
[/quote]
Looking at the promo I think we just miss it.  I think they'll be showing the two eps before it.  I'm not positive on that, though.  Might not be a bad idea to record it anyway.
[/quote]
Then again, I might be wrong that we just miss it.  And it still might not be a bad idea to record the 8:30 ET ep.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 27, 2007, 08:09:14 PM

My fault, the episode AFTER is the French ep.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SRIV94 on January 27, 2007, 08:13:44 PM

[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144737\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 07:09 PM\']
My fault, the episode AFTER is the French ep.
[/quote]
Since you're a member of both forums, please extend my apologies to the GSN board member and lurker of this board who took my word as gospel (even though I said that I wasn't positive that we'd just miss it).

Thanks.  :-)

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 27, 2007, 08:18:47 PM

[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144738\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 08:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'144737\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 07:09 PM\']
My fault, the episode AFTER is the French ep.
[/quote]
Since you're a member of both forums, please extend my apologies to the GSN board member and lurker of this board who took my word as gospel (even though I said that I wasn't positive that we'd just miss it).

Thanks. :-) [/quote]

 

I'll make sure to pass it along. :P

 

Small observation: This must have been Betty's lucky day or something, TWO puzzles guessed correctly on one clue...

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: PYLW on January 27, 2007, 08:31:37 PM

Now they're showing a Ludden episode...with BW and Greg Morris. I think this is from one of the skipped 1980 weeks.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SRIV94 on January 27, 2007, 08:32:45 PM

Or forget the whole thing altogether.  White is joined by Greg Morris in this ep, with Ludden hosting.

Sorry, folks--no more to see here.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: mbc793 on January 27, 2007, 09:52:28 PM

Aw drat. I remember seeing that clip of Betty White getting those correct in one clue. I think it was named "The Salem Sisters" though it could've been another name for the clip.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: brianhenke on January 29, 2007, 06:25:23 AM

I was surprised to hear there was nothing about Kitty. For goodness sakes, she was on TTTT in the 1950s and the 2000s.

   Brian

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: MikeK on January 29, 2007, 06:42:38 AM

[quote name=\'brianhenke\' post=\'144797\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 06:25 AM\']I was surprised to hear there was nothing about Kitty. For goodness sakes, she was on TTTT in the 1950s and the 2000s.[/quote]
She never appeared on TTTT in the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s?

/JOKE.
//I shouldn't joke this early in the morning, and on a snow day no less.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: TraderRob on January 29, 2007, 10:44:06 AM

All in all it was a good special, although I think it would have been nice if Susan Stafford had been given at least a LITTLE credit for Wheel of Fortune before Vanna.  Didn't she and Chuck get nominated for an emmy, too?

I also found it funny that the last line of a special about women & game shows was Betty White saying "...because it's Just Men!" :-)

Rob

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Kimriffic on January 29, 2007, 11:04:00 AM

Eh, I dunno...I wasn't all that impressed by it.  I mean, Dr. Joyce didn't really change anything...I could be wrong, but it seems to me like she just won one and then was smart enough to use that as a stepping stone for her career.

Betty did change game shows, definately!  She's been involved with so many for so long, how could she not?  And of course, Arlene was the first, and therefore very important.  I didn't really know much about her, so that segment was interesting.

I do think Meredith made a significant contribution as well, but she hasn't really been involved with anything but millionaire, has she?

But come on, the way they worked PlayMania in there at the end was ridiculous.  Shandi changed game shows?  Give me a break.

And wasn't it a bit weird that Vicki Lawrence, even though she narrated the show, wasn't even mentioned?  I mean, maybe I shouldn't try to play with all you big kids who know a lot about this stuff (that's why I don't comment very often, lol), but she was one of the earlier female hosts, and she certainly has been involved with a lot of shows - come on, Vicki played to win!  I'm pretty sure she didn't win an emmy for W,L,oD, but was she nominated?  I can't remember - I know she was nominated for something, but I might be thinking of that talk show she had a few years later...

And that bit at the end with Kennedy and PlayMania and all that just seemed like a lot of clips of annoying women.  

I think I would have enjoyed a show about memorable moments from women playing...or something about the women who played a lot...or something.  I dunno.  Just my two cents (heck - maybe it's not even worth that much!).

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: clemon79 on January 29, 2007, 11:19:09 AM

[quote name=\'Kimriffic\' post=\'144811\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 08:04 AM\']
And wasn't it a bit weird that Vicki Lawrence, even though she narrated the show, wasn't even mentioned?  I mean, maybe I shouldn't try to play with all you big kids who know a lot about this stuff
[/quote]
No, it's pretty clear that, at the very minimum, you sure as hell seem to know more about this stuff than GSN.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Kimriffic on January 29, 2007, 12:12:11 PM

Lol - why, thank you!  I may be just an amateur game show fan, but a lot of things on GSN just don't make a lot of sense to me.  But I am glad that GSN is around, because without it, I wouldn't get to see any of them.  So...whatever.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 29, 2007, 12:13:49 PM

I think a few of you took the title a little too literally.  Honestly, the only woman I can think of who truly changed game shows was probably Lin Bolen, and I'm not sure we need to go there.  The acceptance of women as hosts happened so gradually that I don't think you could point to Arlene Francis, Sarah Purcell or even Betty White and say that any one of them changed the way we look at these shows.  This was just "some of the women who were on game shows," which doesn't sound quite as catchy.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SRIV94 on January 29, 2007, 12:23:33 PM

I didn't see or tape the show.  Any mention of Jaye P. Morgan?

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: clemon79 on January 29, 2007, 12:53:05 PM

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'144815\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 09:13 AM\']
This was just "some of the women who were on game shows," which doesn't sound quite as catchy.
[/quote]
Nobody will say you didn't try, sir.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: SteveR on January 30, 2007, 07:56:29 PM

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'144709\' date=\'Jan 27 2007, 12:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'144385\' date=\'Jan 24 2007, 03:45 PM\']
Looks like Vanna's involved. If she's in, so should Susan Stafford.

And if Arlene Francis, then Kitty Carlisle too.

And, just for fun, Brett Somers and Jaye P. Morgan.

And a Fannie Flagg 'customized' T-shirt.
[/quote]
How did these women change game shows? Yeah, they're competent models and panelists, but they basically showed up and did what they were supposed to do.[/quote]Wasn't making my own judgment on any of that -- simply following what looked like GSN's criteria. (Of course, I totally zoned out that the show was even on this past weekend)

That's why I used the if...then approach.

Frankly, other than a scant few, I doubt there are enough to do a quality hour on the subject.

Wait. Forgot. This is GSN. Scrap the 'quality' part.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: cweaver on January 31, 2007, 12:07:48 AM

[quote name=\'Kimriffic\' post=\'144811\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 12:04 PM\']
But come on, the way they worked PlayMania in there at the end was ridiculous. Shandi changed game shows? Give me a break.
[/quote]

I don't think they were really trying to suggest Shandi, Kennedy, Tyra, etc.  changed game shows as much as the women who had already been mentioned up to that point having paved the way for them.  I specifically think, for instance, the special was trying to suggest Vanna paved the way for Shandi, as she has such an active speaking part on Lingo.

Who was the longest running female host before Meredith Viera?  Wasn't it...Vicki Lawrence?

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Jimmy Owen on January 31, 2007, 11:52:48 AM

Longest running before Meredith?  Summer Sanders, I believe.

Title: The Women Who Changed Game Shows
Post by: Kimriffic on February 05, 2007, 12:36:13 AM

[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'144985\' date=\'Jan 31 2007, 12:07 AM\']

Who was the longest running female host before Meredith Viera?  Wasn't it...Vicki Lawrence?
[/quote]

I really dont' know details about who was the longest running, who won what awards, etc.  But I do know that she was one of the first, not to mention how many games she was on.  She narrated, but wasn't even mentioned.    I dunno, I guess I just expected it to be about more than 4 women (or 6 or whatever).  The first 3 women I think about gameshow-wise are Betty White, Vicki Lawrence, and Kitty Carlisle.  Then of course there are a lot more, but I think I just saw those 3 a lot.  Whatever, it's GSN.  Next thing you know they'll do a special called "Commercials that aired during game shows".