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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TimK2003 on January 29, 2007, 09:47:43 AM
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During the 70s and early 80s when celebrity players were 'hip', the 4 largest production companies (G-T, B&E, Bob Stewart & H-Q) cranked out many celebrity flavored games.
Most stars could be regularly seen on 2 of the 4 production company's shows, quite a few did the hat trick with 3, but did any celeb appear on at least one show from each of the Big 4 production companies, moreso as players and not hosts?
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I don't wanna steal Matt O's thunder, but Bill Cullen appeared on H-Q's HS, B&E's BtB and obviously the other two as well. I think there are many who have done that.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'144806\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 09:47 AM\']
...did any celeb appear on at least one show from each of the Big 4 production companies, moreso as players and not hosts?[/quote]
The first person that popped into my head was Nipsey Russell, but I'm not finding a H-Q show for him (he did not do the original Hollywood Squares). Maybe Battlestars?
Meanwhile, Cullen did them all of course, though his B-E and H-Q appearances were fairly minimal. He WAS on the original Hollywood Squares, as well as Break the Bank.
EDIT: Beaten again. Spent too much time researching Nipsey before posting about Bill.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'144809\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 11:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'144806\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 09:47 AM\']
...did any celeb appear on at least one show from each of the Big 4 production companies, moreso as players and not hosts?[/quote]
The first person that popped into my head was Nipsey Russell, but I'm not finding a H-Q show for him (he did not do the original Hollywood Squares). Maybe Battlestars?
Meanwhile, Cullen did them all of course, though his B-E and H-Q appearances were fairly minimal. He WAS on the original Hollywood Squares, as well as Break the Bank.
EDIT: Beaten again. Spent too much time researching Nipsey before posting about Bill.
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I was thinking that if anyone, Bill Culllen was my firrst guess, but I have never seen any H-Q show with him on it...yet.
Plus I figured if Bill did do HSq as previously mentioned, I'd leave that to our resident Bill Cullen guru. :-)
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Let's see...there was Anne Meara. Although she did more of course, her appearances on HSq, PW+, BtB, & Pyramid qualify her.
Jo Anne Worley appeared on HSq, IGaS, Pyramid, and Hot Potato.
Finally for now, a less obvious entry would be Anson Williams. He guested on Magnificent Marble Machine, Match Game, BtB, & $10,000 Pyramid.
EDIT: There was one more I intended to note, yet for forgot to do so: Jayne Meadows. (Celebrity Game, IGaS, $10K Pyramid, & Hot Potato)
I too would've jumped and said Nipsey, but it appears the only other H-Q shows he could have possibly done are MMM, People Will Talk, or Baffle.
Wouldn't Ralph Andrews Productions also be considered one of the big companies of that time period as well? That company is responsible for a slew of celebrity-driven games.
Not that I'm trying to pad the Nipsey Russell count...
--Jamie
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If anybody wanted to work on this, I think you START with Barry-Enright shows, because there were so few of them for celebrities. What's more, the B-E celeb shows tended to ask less of the celebrities involved, so matching them up with Bob Stewart shows, which usually demanded more from the celebs, can be tricky.
Find someone who's done those two, and you're probably well on your way. I've got a few ideas, but I want to prove them out before asking others for help. Neat little puzzle, Tim.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'144820\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 11:44 AM\']
Finally for now, a less obvious entry would be Anson Williams. He guested on Magnificent Marble Machine, Match Game, BtB, & $10,000 Pyramid.
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Williams also did GONG, which means he also worked for a fifth company.
Come to think of it, so did Worley.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'144820\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 12:44 PM\']
I too would've jumped and said Nipsey, but it appears the only other H-Q shows he could have possibly done are MMM, People Will Talk, or Baffle.[/quote]
He could easily have done To Say The Least, Name Droppers and it's not inconceivable that he played The Celebrity Game, though it is unlikely. Do we count Battlestars and All-Star Blitz, since technically, Quigley was out of the picture for those?
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The first person to come to my mind was JoAnne Worley. (Squares, Break the Bank, Pyramid, and Body Language) Anson Williams is another, and with the same four shows as Worley. (EDIT: Jamie beat me to it. That's what I get for having an internet outage for an hour.) A third which came to mind as I'm ready to hit the "add reply" button--Vicki Lawrence. (Match Game, Pyramid, The Magnificent Marble Machine, Break the Bank)
A few with 3 are coming to mind, but I can't place a 4th show for them...
* David Letterman--Password Plus, The Love Experts, Squares. Did Letterman make an appearance on The Hollywood Connection?
* Pat Carroll--Family Feud; The Hollywood Connection; Pyramid. Peter Marshall's book doesn't list her as appearing on Squares. I seem to recall that she was on the Davidson version of Squares. (3 1/2 points out of 4?)
* Arte Johnson--Match Game, Squares, Celebrity Hot Potato. He's a little too "out there" to do a straight-laced game like Pyramid.
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Without reference material, what about Abby Dalton?
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Here's another--Marcia Wallace. She did PYRAMID, HP, MG7x and HSq.
/Assist to Chuck Donegan--using his web page as a reference.
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This is actually kind of engaging. Perhaps when gameshowvault.com opens soon, I'll compile this list onto one page. 4 more and then I'm off to find something else to do. :-)
Rita Moreno - Match Game, Pyramid, Bullseye, To Say the Least
Sandy Duncan - What's My Line?, Pyramid, Break the Bank,Hollywood Squares
Lee Meriwhether - Match Game, Pyramid, Break the Bank, To Say the Least
Jamie Farr - Tattletales, Pyramid, Hot Potato, To Say the Least
I can't place a 4th show for Jan Murray or Milton Berle, neither of whom seem to have appeared on a Bob Stewart game.
Abby Dalton and Nanette Fabray are both missing Barry / Enright shows...
--Jamie
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I think David Letterman also appeared on Pyramid (The $20,000 Pyramid if I'm right).
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'144829\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 02:02 PM\']
Do we count Battlestars and All-Star Blitz, since technically, Quigley was out of the picture for those?
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Heatter's name was still on the product, just as it was only Mark Goodson's name on Body Language so I consider them as part of their original families.
As far as Ralph Andrews and Chuck Barris (whom I consider as minor players compared to the other 4 p/c's) , we can add them to make a possible six, but I think it still may be tough to name a lot of people who played with the Big 4. If I had to say who would I add to make the Big 5, I'd choose Andrews over Barris.
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[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'144852\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 01:30 PM\']
I think David Letterman also appeared on Pyramid (The $20,000 Pyramid if I'm right).
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You are right, but THE LOVE EXPERTS was also a Bob Stewart production. Dave being on PYRAMID doesn't add him to the list of those who pulled the quadruple.
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Jack Cassidy did "Personality," HS and WML for sure, and there is a picture of him in EOTVGS1 on the BtB set--maybe the pilot. Would that count?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'144817\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 01:26 PM\']
I was thinking that if anyone, Bill Culllen was my firrst guess, but I have never seen any H-Q show with him on it...yet.
Plus I figured if Bill did do HSq as previously mentioned, I'd leave that to our resident Bill Cullen guru. :-)
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...or to me. Cullen appeared the week of August 16, 1971.
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Jack Cassidy did "Personality," HS and WML for sure, and there is a picture of him in EOTVGS1 on the BtB set--maybe the pilot. Would that count?
For me, it counts. Luckily we have pilot information for Break the Bank because of the EOTVGS. Unfortunately it might be hard to track down some of the other pilot information for the celebrities that we can only come up with three of the four for.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144856\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 02:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'144852\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 01:30 PM\']
I think David Letterman also appeared on Pyramid (The $20,000 Pyramid if I'm right).
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You are right, but THE LOVE EXPERTS was also a Bob Stewart production. Dave being on PYRAMID doesn't add him to the list of those who pulled the quadruple.
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You're right. I forgot that The Love Experts was also a Bob Stewart production. Was he ever on a Barry-Enright produce game show? The one that I thought of was Decisions, Decisions (pilot), but I don't know if it's a B-E produce game show.
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[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'144864\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 04:22 PM\']You're right. I forgot that The Love Experts was also a Bob Stewart production. Was he ever on a Barry-Enright produce game show? The one that I thought of was Decisions, Decisions (pilot), but I don't know if it's a B-E produce game show.[/quote]
Yes, I had that one too. All of us who've seen it certainly believe it looks like a Barry Enright program, but I've never seen anyone come forward with a ticket or something to absolutely prove it.
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Oh ok, I saw it on Jamie's pageoclips site and it looked to me like a Barry-Enright show, I mean it did had some elements for future Barry-Enright game shows right?
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Yes, I had that one too. All of us who've seen it certainly believe it looks like a Barry Enright program, but I've never seen anyone come forward with a ticket or something to absolutely prove it.
All I have is the word of a trustworthy source that it was a Barry / Enright production. It would be nice though to see the concrete proof, nonetheless.
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'144873\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 02:47 PM\']
All I have is the word of a trustworthy source that it was a Barry / Enright production. It would be nice though to see the concrete proof, nonetheless.
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[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'144874\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 02:54 PM\']
It was a Barry-Enright production..oh okay..thanks for clearing that one up Jamie.
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*sigh*
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'144851\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 03:26 PM\']
Jamie Farr - Tattletales, Pyramid, Hot Potato, To Say the Least
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[quote post=\'144851\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 03:26 PM\']
Arte Johnson--Match Game, Squares, Celebrity Hot Potato. He's a little too "out there" to do a straight-laced game like Pyramid.
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To finish The Gong Show trio:
Jaye P. Morgan: Match Game (and Play Your Hunch!), Squares, Hollywood Connection, plus The Gong Show. I don't think she ever did a Bob Stewart game (New York-based), but I wouldn't be shocked if she did a week of You Don't Say somewhere along the line.
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Jaye P. Morgan: Match Game (and Play Your Hunch!), Squares, Hollywood Connection, plus The Gong Show. I don't think she ever did a Bob Stewart game (New York-based), but I wouldn't be shocked if she did a week of You Don't Say somewhere along the line.
It doesn't appear that she ever did a Bob Stewart show. She did do You Don't Say and there's an episode floating around.
Add Joanne Pflug: Match Game, Pyramid, Hollywood Connection, & Baffle.
--Jamie
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Yes, I had that one too. All of us who've seen it certainly believe it looks like a Barry Enright program, but I've never seen anyone come forward with a ticket or something to absolutely prove it.
Unfortunately, the copy floating around the trade curcuit has the closing credits missing, so we don't get to hear who's production it is.
It doesn't appear that she ever did a Bob Stewart show. She did do You Don't Say and there's an episode floating around.
Yes, Jaye P. appeared with Rod Serling in an April 1969 episode.
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Was Betty White ever on a B+E show? I don't think she did Break The Bank or Celebrity Bullseye. Also, I believe Kim Fields appeared for all four; Body Language and Family Feud for Goodson, Hot Potato for Barry-Enright, John Davidson Hollywood Squares for Heatter and Go for Stewart.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'144946\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 01:25 PM\']
Was Betty White ever on a B+E show? I don't think she did Break The Bank or Celebrity Bullseye. Also, I believe Kim Fields appeared for all four; Body Language and Family Feud for Goodson, Hot Potato for Barry-Enright, John Davidson Hollywood Squares for Heatter and Go for Stewart.
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I ran a check on Kim Fields...and she matched up with BL/HP/HS/Go...donno about FF.
Betty White...I couldn't find any episode guides for BtB or Celeb Bullseye...so I don't know about them.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'144953\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 03:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'144946\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 01:25 PM\']
Was Betty White ever on a B+E show? I don't think she did Break The Bank or Celebrity Bullseye. Also, I believe Kim Fields appeared for all four; Body Language and Family Feud for Goodson, Hot Potato for Barry-Enright, John Davidson Hollywood Squares for Heatter and Go for Stewart.
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I ran a check on Kim Fields...and she matched up with BL/HP/HS/Go...donno about FF.
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Heatter had an association with Davidson HSq? TTBOMK (and I could be wrong), Century Towers produced HSq but Heatter had nothing to with it. Heatter collaborated with Century Towers to do Wink's HR, though--but as far as I know they were separate companies.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144954\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 04:37 PM\']
Heatter had an association with Davidson HSq? TTBOMK (and I could be wrong), Century Towers produced HSq but Heatter had nothing to with it. Heatter collaborated with Century Towers to do Wink's HR, though--but as far as I know they were separate companies.
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According to Wiki... (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heatter-Quigley_Productions\")they did. They had a 50% stake in the Bergeron Squares...didn't know that.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'144955\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 03:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144954\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 04:37 PM\']
Heatter had an association with Davidson HSq? TTBOMK (and I could be wrong), Century Towers produced HSq but Heatter had nothing to with it. Heatter collaborated with Century Towers to do Wink's HR, though--but as far as I know they were separate companies.
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According to Wiki... (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heatter-Quigley_Productions\")they did. They had a 50% stake in the Bergeron Squares...didn't know that.
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Since Dixon's our resident HSq expert, I'd like some additional input before I take that Wiki article as gospel. Filmways (who bought Heatter's company) may have been bought by Orion, but that doesn't mean Heatter had any involvement with Davidson HSq.
Dixon Hayes. . .white courtesy phone. :)
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144958\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 06:07 PM\']
Since Dixon's our resident HSq expert, I'd like some additional input before I take that Wiki article as gospel. Filmways (who bought Heatter's company) may have been bought by Orion, but that doesn't mean Heatter had any involvement with Davidson HSq.
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My understanding is that Heatter had nothing to do with the Davidson or Bergeron versions, in fact he didn't care much at all for the Davidson version. I don't know if he got any residual type money for those two shows (I didn't think he did, he and Quigley having sold out years earlier) but even then that's certainly not the same as being actively involved, which in both cases he certainly wasn't.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'144960\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 04:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'144958\' date=\'Jan 30 2007, 06:07 PM\']
Since Dixon's our resident HSq expert, I'd like some additional input before I take that Wiki article as gospel. Filmways (who bought Heatter's company) may have been bought by Orion, but that doesn't mean Heatter had any involvement with Davidson HSq.
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My understanding is that Heatter had nothing to do with the Davidson or Bergeron versions, in fact he didn't care much at all for the Davidson version. I don't know if he got any residual type money for those two shows (I didn't think he did, he and Quigley having sold out years earlier) but even then that's certainly not the same as being actively involved, which in both cases he certainly wasn't.
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And I'm pretty sure that Century Towers was nothing more than a dummy company for Orion's attempts at syndicated game shows (for tax purposes). Rick Rosner and Merrill Heatter's production companies were running each particular show.
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Checking my back issues of TV Guide, Betty White did appear on Celebrity Bullseye. The listings unfortunately spoiled the show. If Ernest Borgnine is there all week and everybody else only one day, you pretty much knew the outcome.
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I found another one was Sandy Duncan (Password, Pyramid, Break The Bank, Hollywood Squares)
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'154262\' date=\'Jun 4 2007, 08:32 PM\'] I found another one was Sandy Duncan (Password, Pyramid, Break The Bank, Hollywood Squares)
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Nice try.
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'144851\' date=\'Jan 29 2007, 02:26 PM\'] Sandy Duncan - What's My Line?, Pyramid, Break the Bank,Hollywood Squares
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Ah, I didn't notice Sandy mentioned earlier, sorry about that. Anyway, i did some research from tape trading sites, game show epiosde listings and imdb and found a few more:
Jimmie Walker( Match Game, Pyramid, Break The Bank, Hollywood Squares January 1979 per imdb)
Della Reese (Match Game, Hollywood Squares, Break The Bank, Pyramid)
Soupy Sales( 60s Match Game, Pyramid, Baffle and To Say The Least, Break The Bank)
A couple who I couldn't find any H-Q shows for but found the other three: Fannie Flagg, Adrianne Barbeau who I saw on imdb did syndicated Break The Bank in October 1976, Robert Hegyes, Elaine Joyce did multiple Goodson and Stewart shows and Hot Potato
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'154273\' date=\'Jun 5 2007, 12:13 AM\']
A couple who I couldn't find any H-Q shows for but found the other three: Fannie Flagg, Adrianne Barbeau who I saw on imdb did syndicated Break The Bank in October 1976, Robert Hegyes, Elaine Joyce did multiple Goodson and Stewart shows and Hot Potato
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Adrienne did HS a number of times for H-Q, and Elaine did H-Q's "To Say the Least."
Brendan
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I found one with three, and I'm intrigued. I know Ken Kercheval (from "Dallas") was on a few episodes of the Pyramids, and through my research and eyes I found he was on Celebrity Bullseye and Super Password...was he on HSq or Battlestars, or maybe even The Last Word?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'154342\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 01:09 AM\']
I found one with three, and I'm intrigued. I know Ken Kercheval (from "Dallas") was on a few episodes of the Pyramids, and through my research and eyes I found he was on Celebrity Bullseye and Super Password...was he on HSq or Battlestars, or maybe even The Last Word?
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I know that the cast of "Dallas" appeared on Marshall's HSq, but not sure if he was part of that week.
Not quite the same thing, but there's a pic of him on the Davidson version as well, along with ALF and Tempestt Bledsoe.
ETA:
JULY 23-27, 1979:
Jim Davis, Charlene Tilton, Larry Hagman, Ken Kercheval, Steve Kanaly, Linda Gray, Patrick Duffy, Victoria Principal & Paul Lynde.
Source. (http://\"http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:bHoOOzJ6_KoJ:community.tvguide.com/thread/Hollywood-Squares/Hollywood-Squares-19661980/800009282%26start%3D150+Ken+Kercheval+on+Hollywood+Squares&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us\")
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I thought of a few more:
Lynn Redgrave did Pyramid, Password Plus, Bullseye and Battlestars
Meredith MacRae did Pyramid, Match Game, Break The Bank and I saw her listed in the EOTVGS book as doing the debut of Name Droppers.
Also, I saw on the classicsquares website that robert Hegyes did do Hollywood Sqyares along with Match Game, Pyramid and Break The Bank.
Also, the site said Joyce Bulifant didn't do the Mrashall Squares, but did she do any H-Q show like To Say The Least, Baffle or others as she did Mtach Game, Chain Reaction, and Break The Bank.