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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Win a Pile on February 04, 2007, 12:55:51 PM
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Hello everyone,
Although I read a lot, I don't post often. But, I've been curious about this for a while.
Anyone else notice how the walls of Password Plus set behind each team (the walls with all the +s) have flaws - either in the paint or the woodwork. Not just little flaws either - very noticeable. Looks like wrinkled fabric or paint. Also, crooked neon numbers on the main puzzle board.
A result of the quick transition between "Password '79" and "Password Plus" titles, maybe? Perhaps Chris can shed some light on it?
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Many game show sets from the old days had flaws in the sets. Hell, even close-ups of props on today's TPIR reveals paint chips, scratches, dings, etc. I think a lot of it has to do with bigger TVs and better technology.
As for P+ in particular, I noticed the crooked neon numbers too. Seems like they would've been easy enough to fix. I'm guessing nobody noticed it or cared. Same deal with the background. They probably figured they could get away with it without anyone noticing.
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Somewhat off-topic, has anyone noticed what appears to be mirror-images of a certain antisemitic political group's symbol patterned in with/behind the pluses?
Look closely. I'm sure it was wholly unintentional, but I have always found it kind-of odd that nobody caught it after the set had been built.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'145262\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 07:39 PM\']
Somewhat off-topic, has anyone noticed what appears to be mirror-images of a certain antisemitic political group's symbol patterned in with/behind the pluses?
Look closely. I'm sure it was wholly unintentional, but I have always found it kind-of odd that nobody caught it after the set had been built.
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Even as a child of 11 years old I noticed that during the initial run. Now don't even get my started on the phalic border of the cards on "Card Sharks"
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'145262\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 08:39 PM\']
Somewhat off-topic, has anyone noticed what appears to be mirror-images of a certain antisemitic political group's symbol patterned in with/behind the pluses?
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I've noticed it too, but do note that: #1, the particular symbol is also used as a symbol of peace, well-being, and joy in many, many cultures pre-dating the hateful use by thousands of years, and #2. If there's a production company that's exempt from accusations of anti-semitism, it would almost certainly be a company founded by guys named Goodson and Todman.
The Confederate flag on the Match Game set, on the other hand...
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
I've noticed it too, but do note that: #1, the particular symbol is also used as a symbol of peace, well-being, and joy in many, many cultures pre-dating the hateful use by thousands of years, and #2. If there's a production company that's exempt from accusations of anti-semitism, it would almost certainly be a company founded by guys named Goodson and Todman.
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Unfortunately the notoriety of that symbol from the 40s is what people remember...
I wonder if Goodson ever mentioned anything about it.
Like I said, I'm sure it wasn't by any means intentional. I would be curious to see any other designs that were in the works before they chose what made it to air.
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
The Confederate flag on the Match Game set, on the other hand...
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Anyone know if both sets were designed by the same person?
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'145267\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 11:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
I've noticed it too, but do note that: #1, the particular symbol is also used as a symbol of peace, well-being, and joy in many, many cultures pre-dating the hateful use by thousands of years, and #2. If there's a production company that's exempt from accusations of anti-semitism, it would almost certainly be a company founded by guys named Goodson and Todman.
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Unfortunately the notoriety of that symbol from the 40s is what people remember...
I wonder if Goodson ever mentioned anything about it.
Like I said, I'm sure it wasn't by any means intentional. I would be curious to see any other designs that were in the works before they chose what made it to air.
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
The Confederate flag on the Match Game set, on the other hand...
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Anyone know if both sets were designed by the same person?
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I believe Bente Christensen had a hand in both of them.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'145267\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:08 PM\']
Anyone know if both sets were designed by the same person?
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MG = James Agazzi
P+ = Bente Christensen
BTW, I have never noticed such symbolism in either of those sets.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'145268\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 11:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'145267\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 11:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
I've noticed it too, but do note that: #1, the particular symbol is also used as a symbol of peace, well-being, and joy in many, many cultures pre-dating the hateful use by thousands of years, and #2. If there's a production company that's exempt from accusations of anti-semitism, it would almost certainly be a company founded by guys named Goodson and Todman.
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Unfortunately the notoriety of that symbol from the 40s is what people remember...
I wonder if Goodson ever mentioned anything about it.
Like I said, I'm sure it wasn't by any means intentional. I would be curious to see any other designs that were in the works before they chose what made it to air.
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'145266\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 10:55 PM\']
The Confederate flag on the Match Game set, on the other hand...
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Anyone know if both sets were designed by the same person?
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I believe Bente Christensen had a hand in both of them.
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...or not.
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'145270\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 11:15 PM\']
BTW, I have never noticed such symbolism in either of those sets.
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For once, YTMND.com comes in handy... (http://\"http://content.ytmnd.com/content/0/5/a/05a854aa76a1f2cd80c2bf3787c30ebd.jpg\")
And the "bars" were the first thing my roommate noticed when I showed him an ep. of "Match Game" from the DVD. I think I should've picked a better ep....
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'145272\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 11:20 PM\']
For once, YTMND.com comes in handy... (http://\"http://content.ytmnd.com/content/0/5/a/05a854aa76a1f2cd80c2bf3787c30ebd.jpg\")
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That is the original swastika, the one that meant good luck--the German political party reversed it. We had an old quilt that a great grandmother made with those in the design, not that it didn't look spooky after the middle 20th Century.
The roof of the Metrodome in Minneapolis has four zig-zag seams that meet in the center and form the WWII version--it's generally the younger set that notices this. Or Brad Johnson, Vikings QB, may have noticed it, lying on his back as often as he did this past season.
Does anyone else notice how the shape of the middle "W" on the Who What or Where Game resembled a hammer and sickle?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'145311\' date=\'Feb 5 2007, 03:51 PM\']
Does anyone else notice how the shape of the middle "W" on the Who What or Where Game resembled a hammer and sickle?
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Now that you mention it...
Sorta.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'145311\' date=\'Feb 5 2007, 12:51 PM\']
The roof of the Metrodome in Minneapolis has four zig-zag seams that meet in the center and form the WWII version--it's generally the younger set that notices this. Or Brad Johnson, Vikings QB, may have noticed it, lying on his back as often as he did this past season.
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I lol'd.
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Steve Ryan pointed out those "symbols" to me when we first started rehearsing the show, but a big deal was never made of them and redesigning the set was not an option.
Originally the score readouts behind the main game desk were too low and were blocked on camera by the celebrity's head. A couple of stage carpenters came in and did a terrific job of moving them higher on the set wall above the heads of the celebrities.
In those days, game show sets were wheeled into the studio in pieces and set up for each taping, then dismantled and rolled back out into a big storage area after each taping. Sets would accumulate dings with all of this wear and tear, and when the dings became bad enough the producer would order that a new coat of paint be applied.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'145367\' date=\'Feb 6 2007, 02:18 AM\']
In those days, game show sets were wheeled into the studio in pieces and set up for each taping, then dismantled and rolled back out into a big storage area after each taping. Sets would accumulate dings with all of this wear and tear, and when the dings became bad enough the producer would order that a new coat of paint be applied.
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It's only getting worse with hi-def. Little dings that are hardly noticeable on standard def, will stick out and be very obvious in HD. Same goes for actors, anchors, etc. Makeup requirements for the new technology are outrageous.
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[quote name=\'geno57\' post=\'145370\' date=\'Feb 6 2007, 07:24 AM\']
It's only getting worse with hi-def. Little dings that are hardly noticeable on standard def, will stick out and be very obvious in HD. Same goes for actors, anchors, etc. Makeup requirements for the new technology are outrageous.
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How many times have we been to the taping of a favorite TV show, only to be shocked at how shoddy the set looked in real life?
I've never been in TV production, but I was under the impression that there was a certain perverse pride in what producers could get away with in terms of using cheap sets that took full advantage of TV's technical limitations. In fact, there was such a thing as a set looking *too* good, with too much fine detail.
But, as others have noted, HDTV has completely scrambled that equation.
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[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'145425\' date=\'Feb 6 2007, 06:17 PM\']
How many times have we been to the taping of a favorite TV show, only to be shocked at how shoddy the set looked in real life?
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One that sticks out in my mind is that the Millionaire set seemed to look worse after each of the several tapings we attended...we saw the second episode of the second series way back in December of 1999, and the set even then looked dinged up and scratchy, especially the lucite(?) floor. Always amazed me how the set shots would look so good even though that floor was noticeably scratched up in person.
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[quote name=\'geno57\' post=\'145370\' date=\'Feb 6 2007, 07:24 AM\']
It's only getting worse with hi-def. Little dings that are hardly noticeable on standard def, will stick out and be very obvious in HD. Same goes for actors, anchors, etc. Makeup requirements for the new technology are outrageous.
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"Wow, that Kelly Ripa sure is dinged." :D
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'145461\' date=\'Feb 7 2007, 09:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'145425\' date=\'Feb 6 2007, 06:17 PM\']
How many times have we been to the taping of a favorite TV show, only to be shocked at how shoddy the set looked in real life?
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One that sticks out in my mind is that the Millionaire set seemed to look worse after each of the several tapings we attended...we saw the second episode of the second series way back in December of 1999, and the set even then looked dinged up and scratchy, especially the lucite(?) floor. Always amazed me how the set shots would look so good even though that floor was noticeably scratched up in person.
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I had similar thoughts when I saw Deal or No Deal. Tim Connolly, Jason Hernandez, a friend of Jason's, and I had to cross over the bridge which connects the central podium area to the family and friends area to get to our seats in "the pit". The area looked somewhat dirty, especially considering 30-some people had to cross that area, and that was with someone sweeping with a pushbroom on an occasional basis. Before the taping started, a woman sitting a row in front of us accidentally kicked a plywood panel, causing it to pop out of place.
Seeing 53 boobs (26 models and Howie) made me overlook the show's appearance quite quickly.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'145465\' date=\'Feb 7 2007, 11:34 AM\']
Seeing 53 boobs (26 models and Howie) [/quote]
Line of the Day!
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Probably because it was brand-spanking new (well, backdrop-wise) and in the Radio City Music Hall, but I thought the "J!" Million Dollar Masters Tournament looked really good in person, more so than the Atlanta TOC or Chicago College Tournament sets.
I noticed that some of the "WWTBAM" ATA keypads were pretty worn down after five years of use. Were there changes to the set that became permanent with "Super Millionaire" or was that just all lighting?