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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: johnnya2k3 on February 18, 2007, 03:41:40 AM
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There are some shows in which its episodes are still gathering decades of dust in the vaults, but won't see the light of day on GSN anytime soon.
Now You See It '89 is one of them, as Chuck Henry wanted to take his news anchor job very seriously. Of course, when we brought that up after he was nearly killed covering the California wildfires, many thought the short-lived NYSI revival with him was better than the original Jack Narz version (which put some to sleep).
Your Number's Up is still in Sony's library (probably buried next to old tapes of Wheel and Jeopardy), but won't be shown ever again because NBC would be getting entries for a show that's been off the air for over 20 years!! And we don't know the episode status of "Hit Man", but there's no chance GSN will show them (even as we approach the one-year anniversary of the plane crash that killed Peter Tomarken) because of licensing issues with the clips they used. Besides, it's a game show, not the History Channel!
But I wouldn't be surprised if episodes of these shows pop up on YouTube. What others will we won't see again for obvious reasons?
Jonathan Allen
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' post=\'146205\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 04:41 AM\']
There are some shows in which its episodes are still gathering decades of dust in the vaults, but won't see the light of day on GSN anytime soon.
Now You See It '89 is one of them, as Chuck Henry wanted to take his news anchor job very seriously. Of course, when we brought that up after he was nearly killed covering the California wildfires, many thought the short-lived NYSI revival with him was better than the original Jack Narz version (which put some to sleep).
Your Number's Up is still in Sony's library (probably buried next to old tapes of Wheel and Jeopardy), but won't be shown ever again because NBC would be getting entries for a show that's been off the air for over 20 years!! And we don't know the episode status of "Hit Man", but there's no chance GSN will show them (even as we approach the one-year anniversary of the plane crash that killed Peter Tomarken) because of licensing issues with the clips they used. Besides, it's a game show, not the History Channel!
But I wouldn't be surprised if episodes of these shows pop up on YouTube. What others will we won't see again for obvious reasons?
Jonathan Allen
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TPIR once Bob leaves is going to be debatable. Its entirely possible CBS won't allow Bob's reruns to be shown, in the name of giving the new host (whomever that be) a chance.
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Anything hosted by Mariane Curan or Mel Peachey.
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It's believed, but not confirmed AFAIK, that "Dealer's Choice" with Bob Hastings/Jack Clark exists, but it's never been seen since it was in first-run syndication, in '74-'75.
Seems like it would be great for GSN to rerun as part of some block with the rest of their gambling-themed shows, though.
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' post=\'146205\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 03:41 AM\']And we don't know the episode status of "Hit Man", but there's no chance GSN will show them (even as we approach the one-year anniversary of the plane crash that killed Peter Tomarken) because of licensing issues with the clips they used.[/quote]
All of Hit Man's run exists, even the first pilot with the unlikeliest of hosts. Brandon Tartikoff thought this person would be a great host, but Tartikoff's demands of this person were a bit too much. The person? Jay Wolpert himself. Tartikoff wanted Jay to wear a rug and to lose 20 lbs.
There are no music/image rights issues with Hit Man. All media used on Hit Man had a one-time only lease.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146227\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 01:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' post=\'146205\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 03:41 AM\']And we don't know the episode status of "Hit Man", but there's no chance GSN will show them (even as we approach the one-year anniversary of the plane crash that killed Peter Tomarken) because of licensing issues with the clips they used.[/quote]
All of Hit Man's run exists, even the first pilot with the unlikeliest of hosts. Brandon Tartikoff thought this person would be a great host, but Tartikoff's demands of this person were a bit too much. The person? Jay Wolpert himself. Tartikoff wanted Jay to wear a rug and to lose 20 lbs.
There are no music/image rights issues with Hit Man. All media used on Hit Man had a one-time only lease.
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Interesting info, Mike. So how'd they get from Wolpert to Tomarken? I know Peter hosted (at least) 2 pilots for him, but why not Peter from the outset?
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'146230\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 02:16 PM\']Interesting info, Mike. So how'd they get from Wolpert to Tomarken? I know Peter hosted (at least) 2 pilots for him, but why not Peter from the outset?[/quote]
I can't tell you. I know that Tartikoff saw something in Wolpert, but the rug and weight demands were two requests which Jay refused. When Jay declined, Tomarken got the gig (AFAIK, not at the insistence of Tartikoff) and the rest is history.
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It's believed, but not confirmed AFAIK, that "Dealer's Choice" with Bob Hastings/Jack Clark exists, but it's never been seen since it was in first-run syndication, in '74-'75.
I believe Dealer's Choice falls under the same license as Fun Factory and Diamond Head Game, so I want to say that if it did still exist, GSN would have found a way to run an episode of it by now. Because they didn't, I'm suggesting that GSN doesn't have it...of course, it could exist...somewhere.
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I believe Dealer's Choice falls under the same license as Fun Factory and Diamond Head Game, so I want to say that if it did still exist, GSN would have found a way to run an episode of it by now. Because they didn't, I'm suggesting that GSN doesn't have it...of course, it could exist...somewhere.
I'm not 100% in agreement with the notion that if GSN's had the rights to the a program, they'd have aired it by now.
GSN's never aired Jim McKrell's New Quiz Kids or Way Out Games , both of which have always been part of the Columbia-Tristar library. They even have some Blankety Blanks , yet they've inexplicably never aired it.
I'm sure Mr. Schwartz could easily clear up the Dealer's Choice query...
--Jamie
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We'll probably never see The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
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[quote name=\'Justin Dyer\' post=\'146235\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 11:40 AM\']
We'll probably never see The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
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Right, because Fremantle and Sony own the rights to those respective shows (the former has the tapes).
The Joe Farago episodes of Break the Bank '85 have been shown on what is now ABC Family, but the Gene Rayburn version won't be.
And Just Men! is also in Sony's vaults, but GSN hasn't shown it yet.
Jonathan Allen
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GSN showed a brief clip of Just Men a week or two ago with the Famous Women Game Show Famers hour.
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MH/HS raises an interesting point. Since the MG portion was still somewhat faithful to the previous version and still fun, why not just show the Match Game portion and then Sony would avoid having to pay Sony for the HS portion? When the transition to HS occurs, opt not to show it and just cut to the super match end game segment. Show would be reduced to a half-hour, but we'd be able to see that fantastic set again.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'146282\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 11:55 PM\']
MH/HS raises an interesting point. Since the MG portion was still somewhat faithful to the previous version and still fun, why not just show the Match Game portion and then Sony would avoid having to pay Sony for the HS portion? When the transition to HS occurs, opt not to show it and just cut to the super match end game segment. Show would be reduced to a half-hour, but we'd be able to see that fantastic set again.
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As much as I'd like to see some MGHSH on GSN, there's no way that would work.
Given, there's been plenty of times where GSN has paid no attention to continuity in airing shows, but a game where two contestants play a frontgame and some other person seemingly out of the blue plays the SuperMatch? I think that would be a little confusing.
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I'm not sure it would be that confusing. Just have a bumper that said "Defending champ John and Mary played HS and Mary won and is now going for the big-money supermatch."
Of course, there are those who probably want to actually see the coin toss when a host says, "We tossed a coin backstage..."
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Hey, check it out! The champion got major surgery, got a new suit, and legally changed his name all during the span of one commercial break! Incredible!
Sorry, but removing the HS segment isn't really a good idea. It's a pretty crucial part of the show; the day's champ is decided here, after all. Plus, there are other ways the viewers could get confused, like why on Earth the panel suddenly expanded from six people to nine. People would also wonder why Jon Bauman is being credited as a host when he doesn't seem to do anything. And think of how awkward the open could become...
"It's time for the Match Game...*big censored bar*! With today's guests..."
In short, either everything airs or nothing airs. Otherwise, it just looks weird. Remember the edits FAM made to its Let's Make A Deal reruns? XP
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I'd rather see the entire hour myself, but unless Sony loosens up the pursestrings or reduces the rights fees, they probably wouldn't be able to afford to pay themselves for the right to air the whole thing.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'146287\' date=\'Feb 19 2007, 12:54 AM\']
"It's time for the Match Game...*big censored bar*! With today's guests..."
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It could run on Ernest Angley's station and no one would be fazed by the fall-out.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'146208\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 12:11 AM\']
TPIR once Bob leaves is going to be debatable. Its entirely possible CBS won't allow Bob's reruns to be shown, in the name of giving the new host (whomever that be) a chance.
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Yeah, but in the last couple of months, classic episodes of "Soul Train" have been shown in lieu of the new ones they've been taping for this season. After suffering low ratings and middle-of-the-night time slots on many stations, Tribune originally planned on pulling the plug until Don Cornelius decided to dip into the archives and give us the vintage shows.
Jonathan Allen
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I know Gene wouldn't ever agree to allow MG/HS Hour to air while he was alive. Can his family block its airing now that he has passed away? I'm sure you all saw the recent documentary on Match Game. I think it was his daughter the were interviewing about this revival. She said the host was Jon Bauman from Sha Na Na, and her voice was oozing with contempt.
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[quote name=\'Justin Dyer\' post=\'146373\' date=\'Feb 19 2007, 07:00 PM\']
I know Gene wouldn't ever agree to allow MG/HS Hour to air while he was alive. Can his family block its airing now that he has passed away? I'm sure you all saw the recent documentary on Match Game. I think it was his daughter the were interviewing about this revival. She said the host was Jon Bauman from Sha Na Na, and her voice was oozing with contempt.
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We have actually gone over this a couple of times to my knowledge. This is an unfounded rumor as it pertains to MG/HS. MG/HS suffers from being with two production houses (GT -now with Fremantle, and Orion - now part of Sony). Your rumor would be a fact if you had said "Break The Bank". That is the one Gene walked away from, and those episodes will never air again, per agreements.
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Yeah, somebody apparently saw Gene in an early GSN appearance showing some desire of having those eps. aired again.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'146392\' date=\'Feb 19 2007, 09:36 PM\']
Yeah, somebody apparently saw Gene in an early GSN appearance showing some desire of having those eps. aired again.
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No kidding! Wish I could see that appearance.
I suppose then it is in the realm of possibility. Enough people show interest in seeing the show, maybe GSN would consider it. I could honestly see it working; GSN could run promos saying "See two of your all time favorite shows, together as one!" Could draw fans of both shows into a version they may not have known existed.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'146286\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 11:36 PM\']
Of course, there are those who probably want to actually see the coin toss when a host says, "We tossed a coin backstage..."
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I'd rather hear it Ludden's way. :)
/We cossed a toin backstage.
//Come to think of it, I'd like to see that as well.
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Or even
"We tossed a cousin and an aunt backstage"
- Jack Clark, Crosswits
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'146286\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 11:36 PM\']
Of course, there are those who probably want to actually see the coin toss when a host says, "We tossed a coin backstage..."
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I'd rather hear it Ludden's way. :)
/We cossed a toin backstage.
//Come to think of it, I'd like to see that as well.
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