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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Blanquepage on February 21, 2007, 03:35:36 PM
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One of my personal favorite 1970s game show themes is now on T.Q's Game Show Themes site! (http://\"http://gsthemes.tekcities.com/partg.html\")
I don't seem to recall for sure, but was this a Stan Worth piece?
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'146574\' date=\'Feb 21 2007, 02:35 PM\']
One of my personal favorite 1970s game show themes is now on T.Q's Game Show Themes site! (http://\"http://gsthemes.tekcities.com/partg.html\")
I don't seem to recall for sure, but was this a Stan Worth piece? [/quote]
Yes, it was--Worth did all of Carruthers' shows in the 70s (of course, with the exception of "Second Chance").
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For those interested:
The title of this piece is "The Red Arrow".
And I could have sworn that Stan did the Second Chance theme.
If he didn't, who did?
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I think it was credited to Score Productions, from what I could recall looking at their site a long time ago. In terms of who the composer(s) of the theme was, I don't know.
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Indeed, "Second Chance" was Score----remember that it debuted on the '76 version of IGAS.
/that theme would have made a good TPIR cue
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'146598\' date=\'Feb 21 2007, 05:43 PM\']
For those interested:
The title of this piece is "The Red Arrow".[/quote]
IIRC, that was the color of the huge arrow that spun around on the set.
Does anyone know if Carruthers sold all of his shows to Fremantle or just "PYL?" Even if "Give 'n' Take" wasn't much of a game, if Fremantle wanted something for the screaming Type As that "DOND" thinks we want as contestants, they could look at it.
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Not sure about the concepts, but all of the Carruthers shows of the 1970's I remember were done in association with Warner Brothers Television.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'146663\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 09:35 AM\']
IIRC, that was the color of the huge arrow that spun around on the set.
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I could be wrong, but that isn't how I remember it.
Even if "Give 'n' Take" wasn't much of a game, if Fremantle wanted something for the screaming Type As that "DOND" thinks we want as contestants, they could look at it.
You're suggesting a revival of a game show that was NOT EVEN 13 weeks and out.
What's next, the All-Star "You're In The Picture?" That was a horribly underrated show, it deserves another chance!
/that was a horriblye underrated show
//there, fixed that for me
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'146667\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 01:42 PM\']I could be wrong, but that isn't how I remember it.[/quote]
Could be me misinterpreting a dry comment, but Mark is right. (http://\"http://gsthemes.tekcities.com/giventake75.JPG\")
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'146673\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 12:06 PM\']
Could be me misinterpreting a dry comment, but Mark is right. (http://\"http://gsthemes.tekcities.com/giventake75.JPG\")
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Not dry in the least. I genuinely didn't think so. But I did indeed say I could be wrong. Thanks for the confirmation.
/gee, this crow tastes terrific!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'146676\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 12:34 PM\']
/gee, this crow tastes terrific!
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Chris, for the last time, leave Sheryl alone! :)
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'146677\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 12:43 PM\']
Chris, for the last time, leave Sheryl alone! :)
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I would hit that so hard she would STAY in Las Vegas.
/got nothin'
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'146667\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 01:42 PM\']
Even if "Give 'n' Take" wasn't much of a game, if Fremantle wanted something for the screaming Type As that "DOND" thinks we want as contestants, they could look at it.
You're suggesting a revival of a game show that was NOT EVEN 13 weeks and out.[/quote]
I recently learned that Carruthers actually DID take a stab at reviving the fundamental concept of Give 'n' Take sometime in the eighties. Instead of a giant spinner, though, a giant die (excuse me, a giant 'regular hexahedron') determined which of three contestants had control of a given prize. (In this version, you could improve your odds by answering a toss-up question.) The object was still to give and take prizes to reach a target amount without going over.
This version had a fundamental flaw in it that I can't remember whether Give 'n' Take had, in that the prizes kept getting nicer and more expensive, so a player who had gone over really didn't have much of a way to get back under the target amount. Winning a round meant you GOT that prize, making your score go even higher, and you typically wouldn't have anything more expensive to give away. Coming from the man who made a game that worked as well as Press Your Luck did, that little catch-22 was surprising to see.
[gentle-prod]I'm hoping you'll see a more complete writeup about this on the Game Show Pilot Light soon.[/gentle-prod]
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'146683\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 04:21 PM\']
I recently learned that Carruthers actually DID take a stab at reviving the fundamental concept of Give 'n' Take sometime in the eighties. Instead of a giant spinner, though, a giant die (excuse me, a giant 'regular hexahedron') determined which of three contestants had control of a given prize. (In this version, you could improve your odds by answering a toss-up question.) The object was still to give and take prizes to reach a target amount without going over.
[gentle-prod]I'm hoping you'll see a more complete writeup about this on the Game Show Pilot Light soon.[/gentle-prod]
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[technical-snark-to-answer-gentle-prod]It wasn't a regular hexahedron. It was six tetrahedrons fused together.[/technical-snark-to-answer-gentle-prod] You got to know your platonic solids (why doesn't Letterman use this audience quiz).
I'll get to it, folks. Making gold out of crap doesn't happen overnight.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'146683\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 04:21 PM\']
Instead of a giant spinner, though, a giant die[/quote]
I read that and imagined a six-foot-tall cube tumbling around the set with contestants running out of its way.
...Actually, that's not terrible television. I'm going to go write that concept up. Which stand-up comedian should I get to host?
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Scott Robinson
(The answer, of course, is Andrew Dice Clay)
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'146695\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 06:46 PM\']
I read that and imagined a six-foot-tall cube tumbling around the set with contestants running out of its way.
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And suddenly, the "We Built This City" music video pops into my head.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'146689\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 05:16 PM\']
I'll get to it, folks. Making gold out of crap doesn't happen overnight.
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And by overnight I mean two hours. Go here (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/pilots\"), look for Up and Over (someday I'll de-frame this). And I take back the Platonic solid thing, since it was a four sided pyramid with a square base taken out of each die, and not a tetrahedron. A square-based pyramid is not a Platonic solid.
--Mike
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrakishexahedron.jpg (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrakishexahedron.jpg\") - I assume this is the style of die that was used?
-Dan Berger
FLASHGames²
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'146759\' date=\'Feb 23 2007, 08:27 PM\']
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrakishexahedron.jpg (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrakishexahedron.jpg\") - I assume this is the style of die that was used?[/quote]
Pretty much. Picture that, though, with the pointy parts pushed inwards, so that the resulting figure behaves like a standard six-sided die.
I'm figuring that they came up with that odd design so that the die would be pushed around a lot more by the big-ass fan blowing up from below. If so, they probably gave more thought to the die than they did to the rest of the game.
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"Give'n'Take" question--were the prizes displayed on stage, or on slides projected on stage, or on art cards? All I remember about this show, the one sickness-related time I got to see it, was the boredom and the ugly computer generated supers.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'146805\' date=\'Feb 24 2007, 02:24 PM\']"Give'n'Take" question--were the prizes displayed on stage, or on slides projected on stage, or on art cards? All I remember about this show, the one sickness-related time I got to see it, was the boredom and the ugly computer generated supers.[/quote]
At least one prize from the sole ep. of Give N Take was in-studio--a fur coat modeled by Jane Nelson, I presume. (Haven't seen the tape in a number of years and I'm too lazy/occupied to look for it now.)
About the computer generated symbols, that was as good as it got in 1975, right? A similar typeface was used on-screen for The New Treasure Hunt and You Don't Say!
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146806\' date=\'Feb 24 2007, 02:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'146805\' date=\'Feb 24 2007, 02:24 PM\']"Give'n'Take" question--were the prizes displayed on stage, or on slides projected on stage, or on art cards? All I remember about this show, the one sickness-related time I got to see it, was the boredom and the ugly computer generated supers.[/quote]
At least one prize from the sole ep. of Give N Take was in-studio--a fur coat modeled by Jane Nelson, I presume. (Haven't seen the tape in a number of years and I'm too lazy/occupied to look for it now.)
About the computer generated symbols, that was as good as it got in 1975, right? A similar typeface was used on-screen for The New Treasure Hunt and You Don't Say!
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I don't remember whose site had it, but wasn't there a trip to Switzerland, displayed on a rear projection screen? Or was that an effect similar to what PYL did for the winning contestant's list?
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Mine! Hi. Yeah, except for that fur coat, everything was on the big screen behind Jim that had the logo on it.
Picture (http://\"http://pics.livejournal.com/jasona1/pic/0007p3hz\")
-Jason
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And when it came to character generators, the 3M Datavision was the bottom of the barrel, but that's what TransAmerican Video (the company that provided the truck parked outside the Warners Burbank soundstage where they shot the show) had--they could've had a Vidifont or one of the early model Chyrons, but that's where they went.
Surprisingly, Big 3 networks used 3Ms on daytime shows (although the sans serif font--you had a grand total of two font choices, controlled by a toggle switch)--see "Rhyme and Reason" at ABC and "Wheel of Fortune" at NBC.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146806\' date=\'Feb 24 2007, 02:48 PM\']
About the computer generated symbols, that was as good as it got in 1975, right? A similar typeface was used on-screen for The New Treasure Hunt and You Don't Say!
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Yeah. The non-computer generated supers looked way better at the time. On Treasure Hunt I could see the change, and was snobbish about fonts even then.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'146928\' date=\'Feb 26 2007, 02:25 PM\']
And when it came to character generators, the 3M Datavision was the bottom of the barrel, but that's what TransAmerican Video (the company that provided the truck parked outside the Warners Burbank soundstage where they shot the show) had--they could've had a Vidifont or one of the early model Chyrons, but that's where they went.
Surprisingly, Big 3 networks used 3Ms on daytime shows (although the sans serif font--you had a grand total of two font choices, controlled by a toggle switch)--see "Rhyme and Reason" at ABC and "Wheel of Fortune" at NBC.
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Much earlier, you wrote on this same topic:
Let us not damage the considerable reputation of Chyron Systems,
Inc.--the electronic graphics on "YDS!'75" were from the 3M
Datavision, the character generator for production facilities that
couldn't afford the very best. Only two fonts (triggered by a toggle
switch) and none of them attractive. If the big leagues owned them,
they were generally used only for slates and internal messages, except
that from the late 70s until the mid-80s, "Wheel of Fortune" used 3M
Datavision for the category and some disclaimer graphics, despite the
fact that NBC was one of Chyron's first clients (along with continuing
to use a board for the 317 list and a crawl machine for the long
credits). Guess Merv considered electronic graphics a low priority.
Although, briefly in the 3M era, WOF did slip once in a while and use the better looking Chyron, until eventually adopting its use full time on the show.
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Surprisingly, Big 3 networks used 3Ms on daytime shows (although the sans serif font--you had a grand total of two font choices, controlled by a toggle switch)
They had some fun w/this on a 1976 ep of The New Treasure Hunt...during the credits, the switch was repeatedly flipped, so it would move back and forth between the 2 fonts every second or so.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")